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Post by Tate Icasa on Mar 15, 2010 0:17:54 GMT -5
Min (11:24 PM): so, Cyrus Min (11:24 PM): when he sends Tyler into the future Min (11:24 PM): does he go with him? Moment (11:26 PM): yeah, why not Min (11:26 PM): so what happens to them then? Moment (11:26 PM): well. . .I'm thinking the Canadian Sanctuary should be after a chameleoid abnormal Moment (11:27 PM): and they catch Tyler instead Min (11:27 PM): what about Cyrus? Moment (11:28 PM): he sticks around long enough to help the CS find the real chameleoid, then takes off Moment (11:28 PM): and becomes Alexander Min (11:28 PM): you really should work out Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander's motivation Moment (11:29 PM): I think he's just amusing himself, to be honest Moment (11:29 PM): show up, cause chaos, flee Moment (11:29 PM): it's FUN Min (11:29 PM): . . .the thought of him and Bilis just became all the more understandable Min (11:43 PM): so, Cyrus leaves Tyler at the CS Min (11:43 PM): he then goes. . .where? Min (11:44 PM): when? Moment (11:44 PM): um. . .when did Bilis escape from the ruins of the Unholy Terror fiasco? Min (11:44 PM): do I look like Tatey-chan to you? Moment (11:45 PM): well, he goes to wherever Bilis goes, whenever Bilis escapes Moment (11:45 PM): or, no Moment (11:45 PM): he goes to the end of the Unholy Terror debacle Moment (11:45 PM): and he rescues Bilis Moment (11:46 PM): pops in, says "hey, this is gonna go REALLY badly for you if they catch you, come with me instead", and takes off with Bilis in tow Min (11:46 PM): and he introduces himself as Alexander Min (11:46 PM): so, okay, when do they reappear? Min (11:47 PM): cos you just know they're going to Min (11:47 PM): and cause trouble for TWG Min (11:48 PM): . . .Alexander and Bilis might go rescue Elle from the TWS cells? Moment (11:49 PM): maybe if she managed to send a distress signal before being thown in again Moment (11:49 PM): also, considering all the actors there. . .that's kind of creepy Moment (11:49 PM): she is young enough to be their daughter Moment (11:49 PM): and, y'know, 51st century biological possiblity Min (11:50 PM): . . .yup, it looks creepy now Moment (11:50 PM): okay, fine, so they go and rescue Elle Moment (11:51 PM): if they just pop in and out, and Alexander fucks with their CCTV like he did with Pearadyne's, Elle will appear to have just vanished Moment (11:51 PM): I assume TWS will be quite annoyed Moment (12:04 AM): so, where do Alexander and Bilis take Elle? Min (12:05 AM): 51st century? Min (12:05 AM): maybe to a derelict Time Agency ship Min (12:05 AM): like the one in tGitF Moment (12:06 AM): they fix it up and take it somewhere? Moment (12:06 AM): you think Elle might possibly have changed her NAME at this point? Moment (12:07 AM): I mean, clearly being "Elle" isn't doing her any good Min (12:07 AM): it's quite likely Moment (12:08 AM): Ana Moment (12:08 AM): with just the one 'n' Min (12:08 AM): are any of the crew of this derelict ship alive? Moment (12:09 AM): maybe a consultant Moment (12:09 AM): or the ships AI Moment (12:09 AM): but as it is a Time Agency ship, and we've defined all the Time Agents. . . Moment (12:10 AM): would it be pushing it to say that Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander was the captain of said ship? Min (12:10 AM): so, the consultant? Moment (12:11 AM): an alien called Ee. Trapped in a stasis pod to save his/her life Min (12:11 AM): now, they must be using very little power, just the three of them and Ee's stasis pod Min (12:12 AM): so. . .ship looks abandoned to outside world? Moment (12:12 AM): mm. and River leads an expedition to see what happened Moment (12:12 AM): so we're a bit in her future, obviously Min (12:12 AM): oh, this is not going to go well for her Moment (12:13 AM): she might call for Twelve's help Moment (12:13 AM): she will Moment (12:14 AM): oh! so Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander always vanishes just before everything gets sorted Moment (12:14 AM): because he's using a device to collect chaos energy Moment (12:14 AM): which he intends to use to bring his ship back to full power and get Ee out of stasis Min (12:14 AM): that's not evil of him Min (12:15 AM): at all Moment (12:15 AM): he's tragically misunderstood Moment (12:15 AM): of course, his plan is going to go to pot, because chaos energy is more unstable than Rift energy Moment (12:15 AM): which isn't exactly a mine-able resource Min (12:16 AM): Twelve will never let him get away with it Moment (12:16 AM): so, he brings Bilis and Elle back to his ship Moment (12:17 AM): and then he and Bilis go off to create chaos for TWG Moment (12:17 AM): leaving Elle. . .er, Ana, alone on the Time Agency ship Min (12:17 AM): I'm thinking "no" Moment (12:17 AM): . . .yeah Moment (12:17 AM): Ana must go with them Min (12:18 AM): create chaos for TWG Moment (12:18 AM): and then retreat to the Time Agency ship Moment (12:18 AM): well. . .Alexander retreats to the Time Agency ship Moment (12:18 AM): leaving Ana and Bilis to fend for themselves Min (12:19 AM): this doesn't lend itself well to creepy old man slash Moment (12:19 AM): it doesn't, does it? Moment (12:19 AM): right, he brings Bilis back to the ship with him Moment (12:19 AM): but leaves Ana for TWG to deal with Min (12:22 AM): is Ana pronounced "Anna" of "Onna"? Moment (12:22 AM): Onna. and you mean "or" there, not "of" Min (12:22 AM): so, how do TWG deal with Ana? Moment (12:23 AM): well, first Gwen calls Jack and berates him for letting her escape Moment (12:23 AM): then, they keep her in their cells until the Torchwood Heads meeting Moment (12:24 AM): and Jack takes her back with him Min (12:24 AM): along with Domlir the Malmooth Moment (12:24 AM): yes Min (12:25 AM): so, I understand why he takes Ana, she's his responsibility Min (12:25 AM): why does he take Domlir? Moment (12:25 AM): that's what I asked, but Tessa-san never answered me Moment (12:25 AM): maybe Domlir asks to go with him Moment (12:27 AM): so, um, other than Ana-in-the-cells, is small-child-Faith STILL the only girl at TWS? Min (12:31 AM): er, yeah, I think so Min (12:32 AM): terrifying, isn't it? Moment (12:32 AM): very Min (1:46 AM): desperately needing Tatey-chan to do up the timelines? Moment (1:46 AM): yeah, that's it - Us (1:07 AM): how does Melissa get to TWS? Us (1:08 AM): does Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander bring her? Us (1:08 AM): when, for example, he steals Elle out of the cells? Moment (1:09 AM): ooh, I do like this thought Moment (1:09 AM): it's exactly the sort of thing he'd do Moment (1:11 AM): so yeah - Slashy (8:09 PM): out of vague curiosity now that we're so deeply in the crossoververse. . . if the Rani was going to give Sister-of-Mine the Master's Time Lord essence. . .why didn't they just take it from Harold Saxon before TYTNW? I mean, they're bad guys, it's not like they care about the paradox, and also, Paradox Machine was there. Rachel T (8:09 PM): I don't know. Slashy (8:14 PM): that's really bugging me now. because that's kind of a massive plot hole there. DAMMIT. Slashy (8:20 PM): *sigh* Does it make sense if the Rani and Sister-of-Mine just grab Annalise off the street sometime post-TYTNW and I just bypass TYTNW altogether? Slashy (8:20 PM): then that's what I'll do. Tatey-chan can have fun editing the timeline Slashy (8:21 PM): because, really, as villains, there's no excuse for them NOT just taking the Master's body pre-TYTNW if they were around him then Slashy (8:26 PM): I think you'll like Melissa. *nodnod* Rachel T (8:28 PM): Who? Slashy (8:29 PM): Melissa. John's Sex Rehab "Sponsor". Trust me, it's good. Rachel T (8:29 PM): Why on earth would John go to Sex Rehab? Slashy (8:30 PM): Jack made him. While Jack was being forced into Morality Rehab. Slashy (8:30 PM): it was a spiteful way of getting back at him Slashy (8:34 PM): did I really never mention the Sex Rehab thing to ANY of you? Rachel T (8:35 PM): Not to me. Slashy (8:37 PM): erm. . .quite a few detail of Jack'n'John'n'Elle's trip to the future are in my notes Slashy (8:37 PM): and apparently never made it any further than that Slashy (8:38 PM): fuck Slashy (8:42 PM): interestingly enough, Min READ my notes, and never called me on this. Slashy (8:44 PM): y'know, at some point, I need a first name for Johnson. Because, surely that would come up at SOME point in, er, 5 years - Moment (1:03 PM): so, here's how Melissa the Sponsor's programming is SUPPOSED to work: Moment (1:04 PM): the point is to bring the subject to the point of maximum arousal and maintain that state for a preprogrammed amount of time Moment (1:05 PM): and before you ask, no, I don't know how that helps sex addicts Moment (1:05 PM): right, well, Melissa's programming has been corrupted Moment (1:06 PM): so rather than a preprogrammed amount of time, she's programmed to maintain this state indefinately Moment (1:07 PM): due to telepathic linkage, does this completely incapacitate Jack while John is kidnapped Us (1:07 PM): . . .I don't know, but god that would be funny Us (1:08 PM): just so we're clear, if Jack is incapacitated, that leaves Archie, the clones, and Faith to go rescue John Moment (1:09 PM): erm, it seems wrong to have Faith there Moment (1:09 PM): it's just, I KNOW Faith is really quite old, but she looks like a preteen Us (1:10 PM): it would be. . .REALLY funny, actually, if Faith was the one who figured out how to rescue John Moment (1:11 PM): . . .yes
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Post by Tate Icasa on Mar 22, 2010 2:55:44 GMT -5
Tate Icasa: Reinette reminds him of Romana. This is just a straight-up fact in my head, because so far the only Romana serial I've managed to get my hands on is City of Death, also known as That French One Where Four And Romana Are On A Date. The parallel doesn't have to be any less superficial than that, but it's still there. Slashy: 4. I didn't ship Four/Romana before I read that. I must go get my hands on City of Death. - Slashy: you know what makes the idea of City of Death even better? Tate Icasa: are we still on that? Slashy: yes Slashy: I'm intrigued by the Four/Romana Tate Icasa: *sigh* Okay. What makes it better? Slashy: even if the Four/Romana is all fans wishful thinking. . .there was real Lalla/Tom going on. Tate Icasa: . . .you're right Tate Icasa: that does make it better Slashy: just like the David/Sophia made Ten/Reinette better - Slashy (12:09 AM): . . .it's weird that when I think of Four/Romana I think "But she's too young for him!", right? Rachel T (12:09 AM): ...yes Slashy (12:10 AM): I think it's because she's a Time Lady. *frowns at self* Slashy (12:39 AM): so, I have a Whoniverse canon question. Rachel T (12:39 AM): I can't promise I have an answer, but I'll give it a shot. Slashy (12:40 AM): in Time Crash Five says to Ten something along the lines of "you've changed the desktop theme to coral" Slashy (12:40 AM): if that's the desktop theme, how can you grow a new Tardis from a piece of it Slashy (12:40 AM): I'm not a programmer, but I'm pretty sure that's not how it works Rachel T (12:40 AM): I think Five meant the color. Rachel T (12:41 AM): Plus, that's Time Crash. It's not really canon, is it? It's a little for-charity thing. Slashy (12:41 AM): Five's Tardis was a very creepy white walled room and corridors. Eight had a room from a Victorian mansion. Slashy (12:42 AM): I've always counted Time Crash as canon, as it explains why the shields are down for the Titanic to crash through. Rachel T (12:43 AM): Still. I think he meant the color. Or, well Slashy (12:43 AM): just like I count the little segment between tPotW and tCI Rachel T (12:43 AM): You have a "Windows" desktop setting, don't you? Rachel T (12:43 AM): Maybe that was all he meant. Slashy (12:43 AM): I hope so. Slashy (12:44 AM): . . .I am not a maths person. But I now want to actually DO the maths to figure out how long it would take Rose and Handy to grow a Tardis if that deleted scene were canon. . .dammit. I HATE maths. Slashy (12:44 AM): HATE Slashy (12:47 AM): that deleted scene makes me cry. it's a DELETED SCENE. it should NOT Rachel T (12:47 AM): *hugs*\ Slashy (12:50 AM): "Human with a Time Lord brain, perfect combination! We can travel the universe forever. Best Friends! And equals, just what old skinnyboy needs, an equal!" Does that not make the ending THAT MUCH more painful? Wah! Slashy (12:50 AM): EQUALS Rachel T (12:50 AM): DONNA!! Slashy (1:08 AM): okay, so, here's a question: on a human, it's all symbolic and stuff to tattoo your lovers name/picture over your heart. What would be the Gallifreyan equivalent? Rachel T (1:08 AM): have two tattoos Slashy (1:09 AM): do the hearts have the same symbolism when there are two of them? Rachel T (1:10 AM): good question. Rachel T (1:10 AM): Maybe on their scalps over their brains? Slashy (1:10 AM): hair? Rachel T (1:11 AM): How much would it even matter? I mean, when they do it, won't they regenerate and lose it? Rachel T (1:11 AM): Shave. Slashy (1:11 AM): and I am FIRMLY IGNORING the concept of telepathic tats. because I don't want to go there. Slashy (1:11 AM): then they'd look REALLY silly Slashy (1:11 AM): (not that most of them don't ALREADY, but still) Slashy (1:12 AM): maybe they have special ink that doesn't go away when they regenerate Slashy (1:13 AM): I mean, it's not genetic or anything. and they're TIME LORDS Rachel T (1:13 AM): Would Time Lords really get tattoos though? I mean, from what I've seen of them, the majority of them don't seem like the type to get a tattoo. Slashy (1:14 AM): work with me here Slashy (1:14 AM): and I'm so obviously not talking about the High Council or, really, anyone other than the Doctor and the Master Slashy (1:15 AM): and tell me the Master DOESN'T want to tattoo his own name on Ten. go on, convince me Rachel T (1:15 AM): I can't. Rachel T (1:15 AM): I really can't. Slashy (1:15 AM): so, help me out with the symbolism Slashy (1:15 AM): and then I can go on about my theories on Ten/Master sex psychology. ^_^ Rachel T (1:16 AM): Maybe between the hearts? Slashy (1:16 AM): okay, I can work with that. . . . Slashy (1:22 AM): no, I was reading through LOTS of Ten/Master porn and the majority of them had that overall theme of "Ten wants gentle, tender, sweet lovemaking, and the Master wants rough sex." and I go "WHAT?" Slashy (1:22 AM): because, REALLY? Slashy (1:22 AM): do you buy that? that that's where Ten is? Rachel T (1:25 AM): I think Ten is very repressed and wouldn't know what to do with himself. At all.1:23 AM Master would probably act like he wants it rough, but really? No, probably not. They'd have lots of communication issues, I think.1:23 AM The Master wouldn't even want to be in charge, probably. Not really. Slashy (1:27 AM): and, entirely aside from Ten's repression, post-Time War Doctor wants gentle? Really? After genociding his own people? Slashy (1:27 AM): do people really think that? Rachel T (1:29 AM): Ten probably wants it rough from the Master. For he is teh emos. Slashy (1:30 AM): and yet, I've seen TWO, grand total TWO fics wherein this is the case. I don't understand. I get that the point of porn is not psychology, but shouldn't you know your main characters mindsets? - Tate Icasa: it's BAD that every time I watch ANY telly these days I immediately start looking to see if it's crossoververse compatible, yeah? Rachel: Probably Tate Icasa: this occurs to me because I found myself thinking a cute little scene where Richard Castle decides to branch into sci-fi due to the first contact. Tate Icasa: and it won't go away Tate Icasa: Kate would be annoyed because Castle would want to go use Sarah Jane as his new muse. Rachel: xD Tate Icasa: it's a REALLY persistant thought Rachel: I know those. Rachel: Usually mine are terrible ideas, though. Yours is hilarious. Tate Icasa: it doesn't help that there is no real canon reason this could not be so Rachel: My sympathies. Suggest it to her. Tate Icasa: I wonder if he and Kate would actually be together by first contact. . . Tate Icasa: dammit *headdesk* I don't want this.
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Post by A Moment In Subtext on Mar 22, 2010 3:43:49 GMT -5
Tate Icasa (10:29 PM): so, you promised me Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander info Slashy (10:59 PM): okay, so Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander. He is NOT the Captain of the Timeship. He's it's doctor. Slashy (10:59 PM): Dr. Malcolm Ephraim. Slashy (11:00 PM): the ships name is the Limerick Slashy (11:00 PM): it was on a scientific mission when the Time Agency dissolved and was on it's way back Slashy (11:01 PM): when it hit ~unspecified temporal weather pattern, prolly including some variation on Tacheyon Storm~ Slashy (11:02 PM): the engine/fueltank ruptured, the entire crew was irradiated, and due to ~technobabble including the word Entropic~, the entire crew ceased to exist Slashy (11:02 PM): but the sickbay was shielded, Dr. Ephraim was ok Slashy (11:03 PM): his longtime friend Ee, the scientific consultant on the mission (who only got the job because Malcolm put in a good word) is caught by the blast but gets into sickbay without vanishing completely Slashy (11:04 PM): so Malcolm puts him in a stasis pod and starts working on repairing the damage done to the ship, collecting chaos energy to get it functional again so he can take Ee to New Earth Slashy (11:04 PM): of course, before he completes said project, Twelve stops him, but still Slashy (11:04 PM): also, he fancies Ee, which will be important later on, and blames himself for Ee's condition Slashy (11:06 PM): Twelve: You love him? Malcolm: That's. . .entirely inconsequential. Twelve: *surreptitious glance at the Master* Yeah, that's what I used to think. Slashy (11:08 PM): also, Clarence's last name in Rayne. And there is another identity, Nathan Locke. Both Clarence and Nathan have to do something BEFORE Twelve shows up Tate Icasa (2:46 AM): I have been trying for hours now to avoid suggesting bringing Castle into the crossoververse Slashy (2:46 AM): I. . .*pause* I'm not going to immediately veto that on genre grounds. Slashy (2:46 AM): Go on. Tate Icasa (2:47 AM): after first contact, Castle is going to want to go into sci-fi Tate Icasa (2:47 AM): he will prolly go after Sarah Jane, because he wants her for his inspiration Tate Icasa (2:47 AM): Kate will not be happy about this Tate Icasa (2:48 AM): and Kate is, most likely, a cousin on QLSam's Slashy (2:48 AM): yes Slashy (2:48 AM): of course she is Slashy (2:48 AM): does Sarah Jane let him shadow her? Tate Icasa (2:50 AM): maybe. i think it would be fun. Slashy (2:50 AM): how do the timelines look? who is SJ with after first contact? Tate Icasa (2:56 AM): the timeline is not very specific about SJ's love life, but I think she's meant to be with Lester at that point Slashy (2:58 AM): hmm. and Caskett? where do you think their relationship is? Tate Icasa (2:59 AM): first contact is May 2012 Tate Icasa (2:59 AM): they. . .I was going to say they should have gotten over their issues, but looking at the rest of the crossoververse, that's probably not true Tate Icasa (3:02 AM): but they should probably be together, because that's easier Slashy (3:03 AM): Kate can't go with Castle to SJA Slashy (3:03 AM): that'll be fun Slashy (3:04 AM): and while Castle is with SJA for a few months, doing his shadowing thing Slashy (3:04 AM): what's going on at the precinct? Tate Icasa (3:04 AM): does something really HAVE to be going on? Slashy (3:05 AM): well, no, but. . . Tate Icasa (3:05 AM): we can work something out later Tate Icasa (3:05 AM): you still haven't vetoed this Slashy (3:05 AM): I know Tate Icasa (3:06 AM): Castle's book would be, like, perfect PR for Torchwood Tate Icasa (3:07 AM): I still can't see Sarah Jane immediately agreeing Tate Icasa (3:07 AM): but I bet Rani is a big fan of Castles Slashy (3:07 AM): Gwen might have to order her to do it. "Look, you outed us on telly, here are your consequences. Good luck!" Slashy (3:08 AM): and Rani is such a fan. she prolly wants to shadow him. Tate Icasa (3:08 AM): I'm imagining her owning all his books, and bringing him a different one to autograph each day Slashy (3:08 AM): aww! that's so cute! Slashy (3:09 AM): and Clyde clearly doesn't understand the difference between heroworship and a crush and is very jealous Tate Icasa (3:09 AM): well, naturally Tate Icasa (3:37 AM): I notice you STILL haven't vetoed me Slashy (3:37 AM): that would be because I can find no persuasive reason to do so
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Post by Tate Icasa on Mar 23, 2010 3:44:54 GMT -5
Moment: so I was thinking about Castle earlier today Moment: when he heads back to New York, Rani should go with him Moment: she is going to do a biography on him Moment: or something Moment: this will add to the Rani/Clyde mess Moment: and Rani's presence means I can get alien tech to the Precinct Moment: so I can suck them into one of the Nikki Heat books Moment: this will not help Kate's identity issue Moment: "I am not Nikki Heat!" "Well, actually. . ." Tate: you realize this could lead to some very awkward shag-or-die style dubcon, right? Moment: it's less awkward and dub if they're already together Moment: and there is no "die", it's more, shag-and-you-never-reach-the-end-of-the-book-and-get-out Tate: which is why I just typed shag-or-die. and why are we back with sci-fi cliches? Moment: it works Tate: is the device that sucks them in that thing Tosh had that absorbs books? Moment: if it is, it's clearly had it's polarity reversed Tate: why would you make that joke? Moment: sorry Moment: anyway, that thing IS clearly working the wrong way Tate: okay Tate: Blake Wellsley WILL be President at some point in the crossoververse, yeah? Moment: oh yes. at this point, I can't NOT. Moment: and Wellsley is a canon Republican. this gives us a proper election Tate: so Wellsley becomes president in 2012 Tate: while That Woman is still PM. And then the next year, Lester runs for and becomes PM. Moment: my governments are shaping up quite nicely, aren't they? Tate: you are going to send Alexis to Oxford now, aren't you? Moment: and of course I am. they keep setting these things up so perfectly Moment: Castle can visit her while he's shadowing Sarah Jane - Tate: So I've been thinking about New Gallifrey. Tate: Right, so, to start with. Tardises. Tate: They are grown. Tate: so, to start with, are they grown individually by new Time Lords, given a piece of coral after emerging from the looms, or are there massive Tardis fields somewhere? Moment: I'd not given it much thought, to be honest. Moment: But massive Tardis fields is such a great image, I'm going to have to use it. Moment: What I do know is the San Helios is originally transformed from a "desert" planet to a vegetative one using tech borrowed from Messaline. because that's easy and quick. Tate: right. okay. Tate: so, once you have Tardises, you need to power them somehow. Tate: I know the Doctor has been using Rift energy, but um. . . Tate: Romana's going to need a new Eye of Harmony, isn't she? Moment: Okay, so, to create a blackhole. . .and then contain it and transport it to New Gallifrey. Moment: Why do I get the feeling Romana doesn't do this herself? Tate: because she's, um, cautious Tate: well, three hundred years should be long enough to build up a decent population, and the Tardis gardens should be nearly ripe (shut up), so maybe she's not bragging when she invites the Doctor and the Master to visit Tate: maybe she's asking them for help Moment: so, before Romana takes custody of Susan, the three of them go off and create a new Eye of Harmony Tate: that's turning a sun into black hole. Tate: the Master is going to love this Moment: Susan will be creeped out by how enthusiastic he is Moment: the Doctor is completely unsurprised Tate: now, there is no untempered schism on New Gallifrey, right? Tate: considering how much damage it caused the first time around. . .wait. Tate: lemme work something out here Tate: we have all these theories about how the Doctor destroyed Gallifrey. and every single one of them revolves, in some way, around the Eye of Harmony. Tate: When you have a thing such as the UNTEMPERED SCHISM right there waiting to be used Tate: what do you think would happen if you BREACHED that? Tate: so this The Moment that the Visionary mentioned, I think it's the control valve for the Schism. Like, the Time Lords contained the Schism by looping it on a single minute, and the Doctor released the loop. . . Moment: I see it. and I love it. Moment: and of course Romana knows, and does not even ATTEMPT to create a new one, because that would be DUMB Tate: so, next bit of New Gallifrey. The Matrix Tate: we've been assuming it was completely destroyed Moment: you think it's not? Tate: no. I think the thing itself is Tate: but you still have several Time Lords running around Tate: with lots of Time Lordy knowledge floating around in their heads Moment: and Romana could build a new machine Moment: well, I say machine. it's really more a software issue, right? Tate: yeah, I think so Tate: and once Romana gets the new Matrix up and running, all the Time Lords we still have running around can put their consciousnesses in it, cos that's one of it's functions Tate: and they can put in all the old Gallifreyan history they remember, and the New Gallifreyan history, all their collective knowledge Moment: yes, right. Does Donna get to put her consciousness in? Tate: do you think the Matrix could sort Iris out of her brain? Moment: I think by this point they're too closely meshed. Donna's stuck with her. and the Doctor. Tate: what about the Rani's fobwatch? Tate: if the Matrix absorbed her Time Lady essence, then Alex could live out a normal human life, in peace Tate: and the Matrix could use the fobwatch to ressurect her. like the old Time Lords did with the Master during the Time War. once it has her data. . . Moment: yes, that makes sense Moment: and they WOULD ressurect her, wouldn't they. because she's brilliant Moment: and they need that. even if she does need constant supervision. and will never be allowed near the Tardis Garden. Tate: anyway, who do they get to supervise the Rani? Tate: Astrid might do it. Tate: oh, gosh, imagine if that's where in their history they are when the domestics et. all show up on New Gallifrey for "councelling" Moment: that'll go over well. Moment: so, what do you think the New Gallifreyan government looks like? Tate: oh, much like the old one, I imagine. President, Chancellors, Keeper. Look up what the old one looks like, then adapt it. Moment: gosh, watching Castle's reaction every time any of the girls talks about sex. . . I worry. How will he cope with TORCHWOOD? Tate: his jaw will never leave the floor Moment: oh, this will be FUN
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Post by Minterference on Mar 24, 2010 0:56:27 GMT -5
Tate: well, on a less Her Notes related topic, I've been thinking about the Elle/Melissa swap Tate: Well, how does Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander meet Melissa? Tate: and how does he know that sending her to John is a "good" idea? Min: you think he gets Elle out first. . .then SHE tells him to get Melissa? Tate: Somehow, I doubt she's very happy with John Tate: after all, HE wasn't being kept in the cells anymore Tate: so, I think after Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander gets Elle out, SHE mentions how she wants to get John back, and they go get Melissa Tate: it DOES make more sense than the, er, blank she was leaving, doesn't it? Min: Yes, it does Min: I have Castle questions Min: so, at some point in the crossoververse, before the end of the timeline Min: Kate and Castle will get married, yes? Tate: I wonder if they'd have kids Min: maybe just one. . .or twins Min: Alexis will no longer be an only child Min: she'll take it well, because she's, first, moved out Min: and second, the Strangest Teenager Ever Min: now, the thing is, once Rani heads back to SJA after the "sucked into the Nikki Heat book" thing Min: how do you keep tabs on the Precinct? Tate: maybe Castle ends up on one of the many chatshows Sarah Jane keeps PRing Tate: possibly promoting the book inspired by her Tate: it will probably take him a while to actually write and get it published Min: and you know he did give Sarah Jane a copy Min: and then there's Rani's book about HIM Min: but if you're worried, Corinne could do a semester or two at Oxford and befriend Alexis Min: if you don't want to split her and Marshall up, have him transfer temporarily to the UK Sanctuary
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Post by A Moment In Subtext on Mar 26, 2010 20:52:48 GMT -5
Tate: so, are you going to fill us in on Jack'n'John'n'Elle's trip into the future? Moment: Nope. Moment: don't feel like dragging my notes out Moment: But I like your idea of Corinne going to Oxford for a year and befriending Alexis Moment: what do you suppose Alexis does after Corinne and Marshall return to Canada? Min: Goes about her normal business? She's still a student. Tate: so are they Tate: can she join the Sanctuary? Min: where is Oxford even located? Moment: it's not THAT far from London, about 125.5 km Moment: she could join the Sanctuary Moment: but first she'd have to learn about it Tate: why do I get the feeling there's an abnormal going to school at Oxford? Tate: maybe a half-abnormal, doesn't even know it's got abnormal blood until. . .abnormal traits start appearing Min: it would be great if it was one of Alexis' college friends Tate: can college friend go back to school with Alexis afterwards? Moment: I want college friend to not only go back to school with Alexis but to be dating her Min: what gender is college friend? Moment: I think Alexis is straight Moment: so lets go with boy Min: ooh, wait are they dating before or after the abnormal reveal? Tate: they should be flirting before, but not actually dating Moment: and I want them to be dating Tate: and so they are Tate: does boyfriend get a name? Min: Cody? Moment: so, again, what abnormal power does he get? Moment: he's like a starfish Moment: he cuts off his finger in shop class Moment: and then it grows back Tate: and the cut off finger? Moment: it's slowly growing into a new person Moment: but it doesn't have any memories Min: does the Sanctuary FIND it? Tate: They MUST Moment: and I guess they keep it and teach it how to be a person Min: while the original goes back to school with his girlfriend Alexis Min: when Alexis goes to work at the Sanctuary, she's going to end up encountering the other one - Slashy (8:03 PM): does writing about known alien species after first contact count as writing science fiction? Rachel T (8:03 PM): ... Rachel T (8:03 PM): I never thought of that. Rachel T (8:04 PM): No, I guess not. Slashy (8:04 PM): *nod* So. . .what is it? Rachel T (8:04 PM): Just regular fiction, I guess. Rachel T (8:05 PM): If it's, like, a biology book then it'd be nonfic. Rachel T (8:05 PM): If it involves, made up tech or takes place in the future, then I think it'd still be sci-fi. Slashy (8:06 PM): but the book Castle is writing fictionalizing Sarah Jane (have you got that far in the catching up process?). That's just regular fiction then. Slashy (8:50 PM): how long does a semester of regular college last? Rachel T (8:50 PM): Uh, I dunno. Three, four months? Rachel T (8:50 PM): January to May. Maybe five? Rachel T (8:51 PM): September thru november is only three, though... Rachel T (8:51 PM): I know some start in August. Rachel T (9:27 PM): I like the idea of Castle and Katie having kids. Rachel T (9:27 PM): From what I've seen of that show, yes.
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Post by A Moment In Subtext on Mar 30, 2010 21:46:56 GMT -5
Tate: she also says terrifying things Tate: that she knows are going to make more work for me Tate: *headdesk* Tate: please explain to the crazy lady that New Gallifrey does not mean she can do whatever the fuck she wants to with parallel universes Rachel: She wants to know *why* she can't do whatever the fuck she wants with parallel universes. Tate: because the Who's Where When is complicated enough with just Pete's World and several countries to deal with Tate: . . .and why are we having this conversation through you? Rachel: You started it. Tate: she wasn't listening to me Tate: I was TRYING - Slashy (9:17 PM): Tatey-chan finished the Who's Where When and is working on updating the Timeline. Or so she claims. Rachel T (10:20 PM): "New Gallifrey does not mean [you] can do whatever the fuck [you] want to with parallel universes" Slashy (10:22 PM): she's really dragging you into this? Slashy (10:23 PM): and why the fuck can't I? Rachel T (10:23 PM): I was told to pass the message along. Rachel T (10:23 PM): I assume it would fuck with the timeline. Rachel T (10:23 PM): Or something. Slashy (10:23 PM): ha. she just doesn't want to do any more work Slashy (10:23 PM): with New Gallifrey holding the walls between dimensions open, I can drag almost any show I want into the crossoververse Slashy (10:24 PM): how is that a bad thing? Rachel T (10:24 PM): I don't know. Slashy (10:24 PM): go on, tell me you don't want me to be able to drag things like Stargate in Slashy (10:24 PM): and mean it Rachel T (10:24 PM): I can't. Slashy (10:25 PM): then tell her I'll have Cecilia fuck with the timelines so she doesn't have to Slashy (10:25 PM): and then send me a list of shiny shows that New Gallifrey opens up to me - Moment: so, I was looking at the crossoververse Moment: and realized that back in the early days, this is the point at which I would bring another show in to drag the plot forward Tate: can't do that any more Tate: ran out of compatibility and drove your timelines ahead too far Moment: I know. But future-set shows aren't off-limits anymore Tate: . . .and why is that? Tate: and am I going to like your answer? Moment: prolly not, but tough Moment: because now that there's New Gallifrey, the walls between universes can open again Moment: and I can fuck around with parallel universes to my hearts content Moment: dragging in ANY SHOW I WANT Tate: you can not Moment: I can so Moment: New Gallifrey is MY get out of jail free card Tate: it is NOT Moment: oh yes it is Moment: think about it Moment: I can bring in any host of future-set space shows Moment: Well, not Star Trek or Star Wars, obviously, because the mucks with continuity in an allusions kind of way Moment: but things like Firefly, or Andromeda, or. . .Wash and Harper would get along so well Tate: I'm ignoring you until you get this craziness out of your head Tate: and yes, they would, but not in the crossoververse Moment: ignore me all you want, I'm quite set on this Tate: *ignoring you* Moment: . . .you really dragged Tessa-san into this? Tate: you weren't LISTENING TO ME Moment: well, too bad, because she agrees with me Moment: the possibilities are endless Tate: . . .*sigh* I really don't have to do the Timelines or the Who's Where When on this? Tate: okay Tate: you have access to parallel universes Tate: what do you intend to drag in? Moment: well, I was thinking of trying to figure out how to get Stargate caught up Moment: and I was thinking that Amber and Elliott might have ended up there, before Amber changes her name to Lydia and ends up with Jenny at SJA Tate: and Elliott becomes Jamie and ends up. . .chasing her across time and space? Moment: oh, right, I haven't filled you in on what I know of their backstory Tate: . . .this is a "failed to get it past the notes" thing again, isn't it? Moment: so Amber and Elliott got married. . .I'm thinking maybe they're newlyweds when they enter the Stargate universe Moment: and they're getting along well, and then they decide to take a break Moment: the kind where you play hide and seek across universes Tate: . . .of course Moment: but they're still happily married. Moment: I have dialogue from when Jamie catches up to Lydia. Moment: "This stopped being funny a couple years ago, Amber." "It's Lydia, now." "Jamie. Last name?" "You KNOW." "Mrs. Draper." He grins. "Oh, I've missed you." Moment: And then they snog. A lot. Tate: so, newlyweds Amber and Elliott Draper Tate: when, why, and where in the Stargate universe do they arrive? Moment: oh, gee, this is going to cause IDing problems Moment: wait. We have the Whoniverse, which is N-Space, AND Pete's World Moment: and we have Wonderland, and Altrusia Moment: "the Stargate universe" is much too long and, well, you know Moment: surely there's SOME inclusive title Tate: I've never heard one Tate: the multiplicity of galaxies makes it fairly important to find one Tate: the wiki does not have one. oh, and you're going to have to find/create one for every show you drag in because of New Gallifrey Tate: now, I'll help you, if you send me a list of shows you wanna do this to Moment: well, I'm entirely set on getting Wash and Harper to meet now Moment: okay. Stargate, Andromeda, and Firefly. Moment: so, universe names. Moment: because writing multiversal fanfiction isn't complicated enough Moment: I'm tempted to call Andromeda the Rommieverse. Moment: fandom calls Firefly the Flyverse. Moment: and if I really MUST come up with something RIGHT NOW, I'm going to have to go for Gateverse. Moment: anyway, I'm thinking the first way to breach universes is with our VM peeps Moment: So. . .probably Lydia and Jamie. Moment: or, rather, the people they were before Moment: Amber and Elliott. And the people they were between that and Lydia and Jamie. Tate: do their intermediate stages have names? Moment: not yet Moment: but I'm now diverging from my notes and splitting them up Moment: I know Elliott lands in the Gateverse Moment: and Amber lands in the Flyverse Moment: or, no Moment: it's probably safer if she lands in the Rommieverse. Then her VM and Andromeda's advanced systems can co-mesh to land them in the Flyverse. Moment: When they sort out how it happened - which will be after a long while to include the things we want to include - Doyle should remain in the Flyverse. Moment: and River and Simon are probably safer in the Rommieverse. Tate: that's cheating Moment: yeah, but. River and Trance will get along terrifyingly well, what with the cryptic future-seeing. Tate: That. . .yes. Okay, cheating allowed. Moment: I'm also contemplating Simon/Trace, so River can make comments about how he's not her Icarus. Because of course River knows about Trace's Avatar of a Sun-ness. Moment: Now, Harper/Kaylee, yes? Moment: I mean, yes, Kaylee/Inara, eventually, because it's THERE, but. . .for a little while? Tate: They'll be at it like rabbits for the ENTIRE stay. Tate: Rommie will not be pleased. Moment: When is she ever? Tate: point. Moment: and Harper, being Harper, will see the Kaylee/Inara and suggest a threeway. I have not yet decided if he gets one or not. Moment: okay, I must get Atlantis back to Pegasus Moment: so that Elliott can end up in Pegasus and discover he has the ATA gene Moment: so he can encounter SGA-1 Moment: "So, you're from the future?" "I'm from a future. Not too sure if it's yours, though." ". . .we talking parallel universes here?" "Bingo .And, look, not that I'm in a hurry or anything, because, hello, time traveller here, but I have a wife . . . a very new wife, and she was with me when I started. We got seperated somewhere between there and here. I'd sort of like to, you know, find her." Tate: . . .is that Sheppard there with him? Moment: good to know I've got my voices down Tate: so, what's the deal with the hide and seek? if you're diverging from your notes Moment: oh, well, it was an accident to begin with Moment: they were on their way back from their honeymoon and hit a ~technobabble nearing Dimensional Eddy~ or some such. Spun into different parallel universes. Moment: Elliott is constantly a step behind Amber, who gets the hang of the universe hopping quicker than he does Moment: she starts leaving him little "catch me if you can" messages Moment: and she's so far ahead of him she can afford to settle down and live for a while now and then Tate: that goes well for her, in that she's living with SJA when he finally catches up Moment: she's a tad overconfident Moment: but for a while, she signs up as crew in the Flyverse Moment: and calls herself. . .give me a name Tate: Talia Moment: "New life, new name." "I'm not fond of women who change their names. Last one tried to steal my ship out from under me." "I assure you, I have no designs on your ship, Captain." She waves her wrist. "Teleporter, right here." Tate: so, I was thinking, it makes more sense if Elliott ends up in the Whoniverse the first time Tate: and meets Susan, and ends up in the Gateverse *makes face* WITH her Tate: before he takes her to River Song. (DAMN NAMES TO HELL!) Tate: that's more connected. Also, SUSAN
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Post by A Moment In Subtext on Mar 31, 2010 20:14:41 GMT -5
Slashy (8:39 PM): have you read what Tatey-chan and I worked on last night? Rachel T (8:39 PM): No Slashy (8:39 PM): . . .damn. I can't ask you to help me get Stargate to the point it needs to be for Elliott's visit. Slashy (8:42 PM): well, I guess you don't have to actually be completely up to date to help me figure out how Atlantis gets back to Pegasus *blinks innocently*? Slashy (8:46 PM): gotta get Atlantis back to Pegasus. Slashy (8:47 PM): want Atlantis to become a colony, even though that only really worked with Elizabeth Rachel T (8:47 PM): yeah. Rachel T (8:47 PM): ... Rachel T (8:47 PM): Sam has to meet Magnus. Rachel T (8:47 PM): and Jack needs to be in the room. somehow. Rachel T (8:49 PM): Er. Harkness. Rachel T (8:49 PM): Fuck, we're getting more double-names, aren't we? Slashy (8:58 PM): I think we actually have some triple-names by now Slashy (8:59 PM): so, Stargate has to cross with the Whoniverse BEFORE Elliott Rachel T (8:59 PM): Right. Slashy (8:59 PM): . . .the now dysfunctional Looking Glass Slashy (8:59 PM): could work sort of like a quantum mirror Slashy (9:00 PM): maybe Slashy (9:00 PM): yes? Rachel T (9:00 PM): oooh, yes. Slashy (9:00 PM): Magnus is in possession of that Rachel T (9:00 PM): Right. Slashy (9:01 PM): I was trying to figure out where I have timeline gaps, and where Stargate left off, and how to get Jack into the Old City Sanctuary Slashy (9:04 PM): I have gaps in 2011 and 2012, that I know of Slashy (9:04 PM): what year did Stargate leave off in? Rachel T (9:05 PM): Uhm...SG1 left off in 08, Atlantis in 09, and SGU was in late 09, before Friday. -
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Post by A Moment In Subtext on Apr 2, 2010 2:00:59 GMT -5
Moment: great, so, when can I get Jack to the Old City Sanctuary? Min: the Looking Glass doesn't fail until September 2012 Min: you don't really have GAPS Min: but I guess you could send him there for a bit on business between February 13 (when Jack returns with Astrid and Romana) and April 14 (when they go inspect TWS) Min: it would prolly be best if you did it in August 13 Moment: what business? Min: maybe she calls and asks for him specifically Moment: . . .does she have a reason? Min: guy who can't die, pretty useful Moment: so, he goes to the Old City Sanctuary Moment: and the Looking Glass, for some reason, opens up a portal to the Gateverse Moment: do he and Magnus go through to the Gateverse, or do people from the Gateverse come through to the Whoniverse? Min: I think you have to figure out who's where in the Gateverse first Min: gotta bring it up from 09 Moment: I have a few ideas Moment: well, sort of disconnected ideas Moment: here are things that I intend to have happen in the Gateverse at some point Moment: Janet descends Moment: O'neill meets the Brigadier Moment: Jack and Daniel run Atlantis when it heads back to Pegasus Min: . . .okay, let's focus on that last one Min: do you have anything even resembling a line of reasoning? Moment: they're adorable Moment: Jack wouldn't let Daniel go alone Moment: and one of them being military and the other a civilian is a decent compromise Moment: and the colony thing WORKS then Min: right, I meant a HOW line of reasoning Moment: oh, well. . .not so much Min: when do you plan on this happening? Moment: well, I figure it'll take at least six months to get Atlantis fixed up and ready to go back Moment: but at least part of that time, I imagine Daniel will be in the city anyway Min: if it's on Earth I don't see Jack being able to reasonably object Moment: I have a couple of issues to work out Moment: the first being Woolsey, and the second being what The Government is planning to do with Teyla and Ronon. Moment: cos somehow I doubt they're gonna get Visa's or anything Moment: maybe they'll be allowed to get whatever Teal'c got? Min: oh, yes, do that Min: hey, do we get Jeannie? Moment: who do you think is going to fix the city? Min: you think the SGA teams will be allowed to go on missions like regular SG teams? Moment: I think they have their own gate, once they get the power running again Moment: so even if the SGC said no, they probably would Moment: also, while they are on Earth, they are so stocking up the city Min: but they wouldn't REALLY live there would they? Moment: why not? Moment: anyway, why would they pay for a hotel or an apartment when they don't actually know how long they're going to be on Earth? and when they have the CITY? Min: so, if they're going on missions at the SGC. . .they could maybe be on duty for body-borrowing? Moment: I hadn't thought of that Moment: they sure can Moment: but I think that means they're staying at the SGC Moment: well, aside from, y'know, the ones who have to stay in the city to FIX THE CITY Min: that would be. . .what, Mckay and Zelenka and. . .Miko, that's her name, and a bunch of other scientists? Moment: and probably a decent amount of military guys, just in case Min: Shep would be one of the military guys, if Ronon and Teyla stayed in the city Moment: they prolly would Moment: which means it must be Lorne's team, and the other teams we barely ever see, who are on duty at the SGC Moment: and Keller remains in the city, because you KNOW there are going to be injuries, fixing the city and all Moment: also, she's with Rodney Moment: which really, REALLY gets in the way of my McLenka Min: what about Beckett? Moment: I imagine he wants to go back to being the wandering doctor of the Pegasus galaxy Moment: when they get back Moment: until then. . .er. . . Moment: anyway, Woolsey. . .probably goes back to the IOA Moment: maybe he takes Camille's place, you know, wherever she was meant to go after the Icarus Base but didn't get the chance Moment: thing is, I LIKE Woolsey now Moment: I don't want him to go away permanently anymore Min: if you wanna put Jack'n'Daniel in charge, you're kinda gonna have to Moment: but maybe I can find a way to keep him in around for a little while, while they're on Earth Min: what about Sam? what's she doing? Moment: she's being the commander of the ship they renamed after Hammond Moment: or at least, that's the last we heard of her Moment: I'm betting Janet descends on the ship Min: Janet be allowed to stay? Moment: well, duh Moment: that's the whole point of putting her there Min: now, since other than Elliott/Jamie (which has to be sometime after they get back to Pegasus anyway), you can't cross with the Whoniverse for a few years Min: can you get many stories without a cross? Moment: a few Moment: but I bet can find a few shows to cross Min: actually, there's always Time Agent Jane, pre-giving her VM to the Family. Min: and Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander/Clarence/Nathan/Malcolm Moment: mostly the Clarence/Nathan part of that one, yeah Moment: there's no reason for him NOT to end up in any of the other verses Moment: also, Lara/Elle/Ana, before she gets John's message Min: you think Jane and Clarence/Nathan met? Moment: I don't see why they couldn't have Moment: maybe at one point they were working together Moment: maybe she's only crazy the way Lara/Elle/Ana is crazy Moment: also, fuck this naming thing Moment: when speaking of one of the Time Agents in the general, non-time specific sense, I'm just using the first name I came up with for them Min: so. . .Elle, Lydia, Jamie, Sinclair Min: as opposed to Lara/Elle/Ana, Amber/Talia/Lydia, Elliott/Jamie, Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander/Clarence/Nathan/Malcom Moment: because it's so much easier Moment: and I think both Elle and Jane were crew on the Limerick Min: so, Elle. . .at what point in her history is this? Moment: I think she was serving on the ship Moment: and I think it's post-Lara, but pre-Elle, for her Min: she has ANOTHER one? Moment: Mira? Min: pretty Min: so Mira, she's crew on the ship that Malcolm is the doctor on Min: she was also in the sickbay when the ~technobabble~ happened? Moment: she was injured Moment: and Jane was her girlfriend, so she was by the bedside Min: does Jane have another name? Moment: her name is Friday Min: so, Malcolm, going by Clarence/Nathan? Moment: when end up in the Gateverse. . .Nathan. Moment: this is one of the first, maybe THE first time he goes out for chaos energy Moment: Mira is in a coma, on life support, and Nathan and Friday have to get enough power to keep her alive long enough to bring her out of it Min: and keep Ee in stasis Min: and lifesupport running Moment: so, they go out and land. . .I don't want them to just randomly universe hop Moment: it happened to Amber and Elliott by accident, due to ~technobabble~ Min: thought Elliott landed in the Whoniverse Moment: I think, if he's universe hopping, he landed somewhere else first, then made his way back to the Whoniverse, met Susan, and then hopped to the Gateverse Moment: right, so Nathan and Friday go to create chaos Moment: beneignly Min: so they get to the Gateverse. . .? Moment: through a minor space-time rip caused by the explosion of the Icarus Base planet? Moment: one that closes almost immediately afterwards, so obviously Sam's ship can't detect them. . .oh, look, there's a triple-name right there Moment: Sam Tyler, Sam Beckett, Sam Carter Min: there are three Jack's too Min: Captain Jack, O'neill, and the King of Wonderland Min: anyway Min: if they slip through a tear caused by that explosion, they can't actually land THERE Min: because they would be dead Moment: obviously Moment: but the tear only lasts a second, so they must end up. . .canon prevents me from putting them on any of the ships Min: they'd have to land on the closest life-sustaining planet to the Icarus Base Moment: what, the next system over? Moment: what guarantees they'd land somewhere an SG team would find them? Min: maybe Carter's ship is damaged Min: they limp to the planet and either settle into orbit or land to make the repairs Min: because they need raw materials, or someting Moment: and Friday and Nathan are already there Moment: were there people on this planet? Min: it's uninhabited, at least, the areas that you're concerned with are Moment: okay, so Carter must send people down to get raw materials Moment: what's Friday and Nathan's plan? Min: kidnap those people Min: Carter sends more people to find them Min: kidnap those as well Min: then Carter leads the next group, and also gets kidnapped Moment: ship is meanwhile damaged Min: essentially, tho, Nathan and Friday just keep the people they kidnapped for a while, then knock them out when they're full up on the chaos energy they can store and bring with them Min: then they head back to the Limerick Min: and Carter and her crew wake up and go back to their ship, confused but okay Moment: how do Friday and Nathan get back to the Limerick? Moment: they don't know they've hopped universes Min: maybe they kidnap everyone who comes down to the planet, then one of them. . .no, wait Min: Nathan kidnaps everyone Min: meanwhile, Friday signals the ship to ask for help Min: signals before Sam comes looking for her people, this being the first kidnapping Moment: okay. is she allowed onto the ship? Min: Sam will ask her if she's seen her people, and be all suspicious when she hasn't Min: but she'll eventually let her on board, I think Min: then send out the second team, to search for the first Moment: and what does Friday do on the ship? Min: but she'll look at some of the info in the computer first Min: and realize that this isn't the universe their meant to be in Moment: she'll ask to go with Sam when she leads the third group Moment: claiming she has a friend who was injured Moment: this naturally makes Sam even more suspicious, as you'd think she'd have mentioned that right off Min: and Sam lets her come with, under guard, obviously Moment: so Friday kidnaps Sam and her group Moment: and then she tells Nathan that they really need to get back to their own universe Min: they get Sam to help them? Moment: oh, like that'll go well Min: Sam will say NO Moment: Nathan and Friday conveniently forget to mention that they're collecting chaos energy Moment: they must claim the Limerick's original mission, the whole scientific thing Moment: which Sam is smart enough not to buy Min: they keep the kidnapped people around long enough to figure out how to hop back to their own universe Min: they knock them out and go back Moment: where they should be able to get Mira out of her coma Moment: okay, we can leave them for a bit, cos I wanna focus on the Gateverse Moment: who's the Pressie over there? Min: er. . .Hayes, from 2004 on Min: the wiki doesn't claim we got another after him Min: so probably won re-election there Min: but it's also possible that that's not the case Min: the only proof we have of him still being pressie is in the timeline Ba'al created in Continuum Min: so if you cross in anything with direct mention of a president, you should be fine Min: I think Moment: so we'll need a new pressie in 2012, at least Min: yeah, but we're not there yet Min: why don't we try working in real time, hm? Moment: so on Earth, with the city Moment: I get everyone settle where I want them Moment: then I can cross something else in Moment: so, I've always thought that Tin Man could cross into the Gateverse easily, what with the ancients and all Moment: and the magic is part of how they, y'know, evolved from Alterans like the rest of us, but in isolation in the OZ they evolved to semi-ascended-ness Moment: like the people in the SGA episode Epiphany Min: you said the witch was well on her way to becoming an Ori Moment: she WAS! Moment: so the OZ is adjacent to the Gateverse, like Wonderland and Altrusia were adjacent to the Whoniverse Min: and if it's running in realtime, which I'm pretty sure it is, and at realtime alongside the Gateverse. . .then you have to get it from whenever 2007 to 2009 Moment: is there really any proof it took place in real time? Moment: couldn't I just say it happened in 2009? Moment: I mean, we were only IN the real world for, what, fifteen minutes? Moment: was there a calendar? Min: um. . .I don't know Moment: so, uh, how would our folks at the SGC, I'm assuming it's the SGC group, FIND the OZ? Min: could be it's a planet in its own right, like Altrusia Min: somewhere nice and far away Moment: no gate Min: we have ships Moment: could be way, WAY out there, like, Destiny out there Min: that would be cheating Min: because they could get home from the OZ, using the travel storms Moment: and anyway, Rush wants to stay Min: this will have to be after Rush gets back Moment: anyway, working from this, I could get the Destiny to the OZ, which is a planet in its own right Moment: and they could use the travel storms (which must be some form of teleportation) to get home Moment: but Rush will DIE if we leave him alone on the Destiny, you KNOW he will Moment: because he'll do something dumb like forget to eat, or, y'know, run out of raw materials because he's not capable of getting them on his own Min: they could provide him with androids Min: fine, so, the Destiny ends up in orbit around the OZ planet Min: NO GATE Moment: shuttle Moment: must happen sometimes Min: you'd have to take the shuttle back and forth several times to get the whole group down Moment: then they'd do that Moment: it's not like they'd care about the shuttle Min: kay, now I'm wondering what kind of reception the shuttle would get Min: the OZ not having extraterrestrial visitors Moment: well, they have the Viewers Moment: who. . .can be the Furlings? Min: the OZ is still in recovery from Azkadiddles spot of evil possession Min: shooting the shuttle out of the sky would not be entirely unreasonable on their part Tate: . . .this is a point Tate: I suggest you find a reason for them not to do this Moment: giant guns not working? or not existant? Moment: or maybe they don't notice the shuttle til it's landed? Tate: yes, let's go with that. Tate: so, who finds it and how does that go? Min: first, this must be several months into The Recovery Min: so we have to work out where everybody IS Moment: well, firstly, our group all get medals from the Queen, for, y'know, saving with world and everything Min: Queen needs a real name Min: that's not filched from the original Oz books Tate: and isn't Lavender Tate: because that's ridiculous Min: what do you suppose happened to our guys? Tate: Well, I think Cain's probably rounding up Longcoats Tate: because I bet he got his job back, or better Min: Captain of the Queen's Guard Min: Jeb and he must be living in the cabin, when he's in one place long enough Moment: aww, and here I was set on having him live with Glitch Min: have your pairings however you want Min: you know he's going to live with his son Min: and the Queen, have you got a name for her yet?, she's prolly keeping Glitch in the Palace, under supervision because he's just had brain surgery Moment: I don't. . .you think they can put his brain back in? Tate: I don't think it would restore his memory, tho Tate: maybe fix it so he doesn't keep losing it Min: any of our Whoniverse guys would think he's a Slitheen Tate: on the subject of the Queen and Glitch. . .half of fandom thinks they're siblings Min: I know. You wrote cute ficlet about youngAmbrose knowing he was gay but liking HER Min: and if Ahamo hadn't come along Min: you NEVER POSTED IT ANYWHERE Tate: it wasn't done Min: but it was so CUTE Min: she taught him how to dance! leading AND following! Min: well, I think it should go into the crossoververse and be true Moment: I think you're right, and I've still not found a name, sodding list is ridiculously long Tate: so after Glitch recovers from brain surgery. . .? Min: Queeny keeps him around, he might even get his own job back Min: Raw? Tate: and Raw probably took Kalm back to his people Tate: maybe adopted him Min: Right. He could be the emissary to his people Min: DJ must be travelling the OZ, helping out Tate: no, she'll be with her sister Min: Azkadiddles will be needing to see a psychologist Tate: Raw could do that, maybe, what with the telepathy and all? Min: so, not going back to his people, then Tate: maybe not IMMEDIATELY Tate: what about Tutor? Min: hovering, trying to be helpful Moment: the Queen's name is Arieth Moment: so, if that's where everyone is, it must be Cain and his party of Longcoat hunters who find the shuttle Tate: so, who's in the shuttle? Moment: I imagine Destiny told them there was sentient life on the planet Moment: so they'd have sent people who can deal with people Moment: Camille, the usual military minus Greer (well, would YOU put him in your first diplomatic party?), maybe Eli Min: (I would not. I would SO not.) Moment: so, they're down on the planet to find spare parts Moment: but Cain brings them to the Palace so they can explain what they need and how they got there and everything Moment: and the royals mention being able to get them back to Earth, once they've finished Recovery enough to run some travel storms again Moment: because I imagine they run on some sort of power, and the "battery" is all tapped out right now Min: so the crew of the Destiny is going to live in the OZ? Min: can they afford to be taking in refugees right now? Tate: sure, if they help out Tate: and how do we convince them to send a couple of androids back to Rush? Moment: maybe they, er, maybe he steals them Min: he WHAT? Moment: well, they're in the android town, and he offers to give them a tour of the ship while he brings the spare parts up Moment: conveniently forgets to mention how it jumps to FTL automatically Moment: pretends it was an accident Tate: yes, that sounds like Rush Tate: does he keep the communications stones and tell Earth that the others are on their way back, or do they take them with them? Moment: if he had them, he would FORGET to call Earth Moment: although, the person who ends up in his body might accidentally give away how it was SO NOT AN ACCIDENT that he kidnapped them Moment: this would lead to piles of awkward Min: if you intend to have SGA people on body-swapping duty, this must either be a few months on, or they must take the stones themselves Tate: I don't think they realize what Rush is doing until it's too late Min: so they likely have the stones on them Min: so they'll be living in the OZ for how long, do you think? Moment: few months? Moment: we're nearly to 2010 with Universe Moment: but back on Earth with Atlantis and the SGC Moment: it's mostly still way back near the beginning of 09 Min: well, by the time the guys from Universe finally get home, I think Atlantis should be back in Pegasus Tate: I agree Moment: like I said, six months to fix the city Moment: so if Atlantis was occuring in real time Moment: city will be fixed by June/July Moment: send it back to Pegasus by July, put it back on the right planet, carry on Min: except that you've replaced Woolsey with Jack and Daniel Moment: also, I'm thinking sometime while the city is on earth, whoever the pressie is should repeal DADT Moment: because that just makes my life so much easier, you know? Tate: and how are you going to get that McLenka we all love so much? because Keller, and the inconvience, and I actually LIKE her, dammit Moment: I preferred Keller with Ronon Moment: and I WILL find a way back to that Moment: like. . .well, SHEPPARD noticed the McLenka, so it's not like it's subtle or anything Moment: all she has to do is observe them working while they're on Earth for, like, ten minutes Moment: and then she can start feeling insecure, and Mckay is. . .well, not exactly Mr. Observational Skills when it comes to social cues, so. . . Moment: and then she can have an affair with Ronon. like, say, a one-night-stand thing Tate: Ronon would go to Mckay. Maybe trying to help. Min: or to rub it in his face Tate: and Mckay would be all sad and stuff, and throw himself into his work Moment: and thus I can lead into the McLenka Tate: so, Atlantis gets back to Pegasus Tate: Teyla goes back to her baby? Tate: Sheppards team needs a replacement Moment: fortunately, Elliott can arrive now, with Susan Moment: maybe they'll even agree to stay for a while Moment: I mean, time machine and all Tate: only works if he's already gotten a message from Amber, so he knows it's okay Moment: so he's got that Moment: maybe he traced her, and they landed in the post-Amber Rommieverse Min: so why'd they move on from there, but agree to settle in the Gateverse? Moment: maybe Amber's message includes "DO NOT STAY HERE OR ELSE" or some such Tate: so, assuming that there are actual, y'know, plots during their time on earth (which you don't HAVE to Timeline), Elliott and Susan arrive in Pegasus around the same time the Destiny guys get to the OZ Tate: so Elliott and Susan join Sheppards team and stay there until 2010, at least. Tate: you think Elliott changes his name for this new job? Min: that seems to be the way She does things Min: Taylor? Tate: do they sleep with people on the Expedition while they're there? Min: I'd be disappointed if they didn't Min: but I'm thinking Taylor more than Susan, if only because she's a relatively young Time Lady and she WAS married at one point, and sort of raised on Earth in the. . .60's, and the 22nd century Min: and he's a 51st century boy Tate: who's bed are you sticking him in? Min: it is. . .so wrong, on so many levels, for me to say Dr. Parrish's, right? Tate: considering the Jamie/Tesla? YES Tate: SO MANY LEVELS Tate: anyone else? I mean, he's Elliott/Taylor/Jamie, and he has his wife's blessing Min: Maybe Heitmeyer? The shrink. She's cute. Min: what about Susan, who do you think she's sleeping with? Tate: well, the obvious choice is Sheppard Tate: except that she's on his team Min: doesn't have to be Min: maybe Taylor is on his team and Susan hangs out on Atlantis and helps the scientists Tate: that removes that issue then Tate: It's wrong that I want her to actually be in her second body when Elliott picks her up, and have her regenerate into Morena Baccarin while they're on Atlantis Min: it is not Min: it's brilliant Min: also, a good point of them being able to all freak out at her over it, thus providing plot Min: I think, if a Wraith fed on her, she'd regenerate, and her regeneration would kill the Wraith Tate: I can see the science that makes that work Tate: so, do Wraith land in the city, or does she go offworld for something? Min: I think we should keep the Wraith out of the city Tate: . . .yes Min: she she must go offworld Min: and get captured, along with the team she's with Min: Lorne's, I'm guessing Min: so what's she going offworld with them for? Tate: maybe Parrish can't go? I imagine Susan is qualified as a botanist, among many other sciences Min: I almost asked why Parrish can't go Min: reconsidered when I realized what my answer to that would be - Moment: Taylor and Parrish have a crazy breakup, that's when Taylor gets with Heightmeyer. Moment: later, Jamie brings Tesla to Atlantis Moment: so that everyone can point out how they look alike Tate: this could go so many horrible ways Moment: right now, I'm considering whether I want this to be "Jamie psychoanalyses self, then gets back with Parrish" or "narsissistic gays sleep together" Moment: leaning more toward the second option Tate: but then you have to get Tesla back to the Sanctuary to get him back with Magnus like you wanted Moment: well, Jamie will pitch a fit about this Moment: probably do some psychonalysing Moment: then drag Tesla back to his own reality and leave him there Tate: now, even with this, we've only just got to 2010 Tate: and Jamie/Tesla isn't until 2014, and you still have to get to mid 2011 for the whole Looking Glass thing Moment: could be around this point that Janet descends, on Sam's ship Moment: she brings with her a device that is LIKE a quantum mirror but so much less dangerous Moment: because it goes to other realities entirely, rather than ones that split off of theirs Moment: how she got it is another matter entirely Tate: so you're going to cross something else in? Moment: I'm thinking of just connecting it to one of the verses I've already crossed in Moment: except, well, what would they DO in these verses? Moment: what are they looking for? Tate: they shouldn't be playing with that thing anyway Tate: this leads me to believe that maybe they haven't told anyone they have it yet Moment: . . .maybe they don't know what it does Moment: because it looks completely different from a quantum mirror Moment: and Janet lost her memory of what it is when she descended Moment: but she knows it's important Tate: is to to counter some threat that they haven't encountered yet? Moment: probably Moment: and they're going to keep it a secret until they know what it does Tate: so. . .I know how they get TO one of the verses Tate: how do they get out again? Tate: cos not all verses have Looking Glasses Moment: they have something similar, tho
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Post by A Moment In Subtext on Apr 3, 2010 1:13:41 GMT -5
Moment: So, I was thinking Moment: I could bring Space Cases into the crossoververse Tate: I've always thought the Tardis and the Christa would get along well Tate: as relatively non-verbal sentient ships Tate: if you drag in Space Cases you have to figure out how to get Cat back in this universe Tate: because you KNOW she belongs with Harlan Moment: and Elmira with Radu, Rosie with Bova, and Davenport with Goddard Moment: I'm aware of the standard pairings, yeah Tate: sending Suzie back to Yensid? Moment: I. . .guess I prolly should, right? I mean, her parents and sisters are there Tate: hey, look, Yensid is in ANOTHER dimension Tate: you could send someone straight to Yensid and consider it another cross Tate: it could be a planet in ANY of your universes Moment: it could be in the Whoniverse Moment: maybe that's how the Tardis gets there Moment: Tardis lands on Yensid, finds Cat, returns Cat to her universe Tate: and brings Suzie back to hers? Moment: whatever's blocking Cat and Suzie's cross-dimensional telepathy ought to be fixed Moment: and, hey, look, Time Lords are telepathic! - Moment: they think they've disabled it Min: who, what, where, and HELLO CLARY? Moment: oh, yeah, hi Min: so, who thinks they've disable what where? Moment: Sam and Janet think they've disabled the. . .Not-Quantum Mirror Moment: so after they've used it a few times, it stops working Moment: runs out of power, they were trying to stop it from working anyway Moment: so they take it to Earth and since it seems like it's just a regular mirror now. . . Min: oh, they do NOT bring it home with them! Moment: sure they do Moment: and Cassie, who is probably living on her own, as she should have been. . .18/19is the last time we saw her, right? Moment: well, that was in, er, around 2004ish Moment: so she'd be in her early 20's now, if I'm right Moment: anyway, they bring it home with them, while they're on Earth Moment: I imagine they're not planning on staying on Earth for long, so Sam maybe has an apartment Moment: and Janet will stay with her Moment: Cassie will come to visit her mom Moment: and the Non-Quantum Mirror will fire up again Min: Cassie goes through it Moment: into the Whoniverse, in the Old City Sanctuary Moment: Janet and Sam will go after her Min: SGC gets notified Moment: can't avoid it anymore Moment: they have to get back from the Whoniverse, cos, well, they CAN'T stay Moment: but I don't think the three of them should end up back in the Gateverse immediately Moment: anyway, I want Cassie to end up on Space Cases Min: you can't intend to leave her there? Min: as if Sam and Janet would let her stay without them! Moment: I hadn't thought of that Min: maybe they're only there for a month or so? Min: they'd prolly be away from the Gateverse for a few months anyway Min: SGC would be PISSED Moment: you think Sam'n'Janet would get fired over this? Min: eesh, I. . .don't rightly know - Moment: so, I got thinking about the NQM Moment: and it doesn't make sense, really Moment: so, I don't think that's what it is Moment: I think Janet brings Sam a present Moment: like a trinket, a necklace or something Min: it's not just a trinket, tho, obviously Moment: not that Janet remembers that Moment: when the necklace is being worn, it can turn ordinary things like mirrors, windows, adequately reflective water surfaces, into trans-'versal portals Min: . . .so they think an ordinary mirror on the ship is the thing and have it sent to Area 51 Min: meanwhile the necklace goes with them to the apartment Moment: Cassie visits her mom Moment: she has a date, she borrows the necklace Moment: see, I think the portal stays open once it's opened, until it's closed from the same side it was opened from Min: so once Cassie goes from the Whoniverse to Space Cases. . .which is what 'verse? Moment: Caseverse? Min: fine. so they have to go back through the Whoniverse in order to close the portals? Moment: which will meanwhile be causing problems Moment: cos, open portal between Gateverse Area 51 and Whoniverse Old City Sanctuary Min: do we know ANYONE who's at Area 51? Moment: ...could send Eli. Moment: maybe Kavenaugh Min: couldn't you just leave the open portal at the SGC Min: until Sam et al get back? Moment: still sending Eli to Area 51 when he gets back, tho, prolly Moment: so, I gotta figure out what's up with the rest of SG-1 Moment: cos didn't Teal'c go back to the free Jaffa? Min: I was under that impression, yeah Min: that only leaves you Cam and Vala. Moment: that is so not a team Moment: well, not an acceptable one Moment: they need a geek Min: you could prolly get Jonas back if you wanted Moment: I'm tempted to give them someone from another 'verse Moment: but to do this I have to go back, again, to while Atlantis is on Earth Moment: wait. Vala. dammit. Moment: sending Jack'n'Daniel to Atlantis minus DADT was SUCH a great idea, until I remembered that I actually LIKE Daniel/Vala Moment: and while I don't think VALA minds sharing, the other two don't seem the type Min: they really don't Min: sadly Min: but Jack is still in Washington until he and Daniel are put in charge of Atlantis Min: that's about six months you can have Daniel/Vala Moment: hmm. . .the thing I like about that is that that Vala KNOWS Moment: oh god Moment: if they only break it off when Atlantis takes off Moment: and then a few months later. . . Moment: "I'm pregnant. Again." ". . ." "It's yours. I'm not kidding this time." ". . ." "Daniel? Daniel, are you alright?" Min: is she like Teyla and still goes on missions while preggers? Moment: like I could stop her Moment: but I bet he rushes back to the SGC the second he finds out Min: she sends him back, right? Moment: yes. Moment: because she KNOWS Moment: considering how her last pregnancy ended. . .this is going to massively freak her out Min: so, how involved is Daniel in the raising of his kid? Moment: like Vala's qualified to be a parent Moment: well, by that I mean, I don't want to stick her with a kid and make her boring and on maternity Moment: but I don't think she'd be willing to give the baby away Min: shame she doesn't have a new significant other Min: who could stay home all day with the kid while she's out on missions Moment: like Daniel would let her do that Min: well, it's not like she can let HIM take it Min: being in Pegasus and all Moment: no, prolly not, but that would be ADORABLE Min: so, how do you make it possible? Moment: which universe hopper do we get on SG-1? Min: why not Clarence, Friday, and Mira. Or, y'know, any combination or variation thereupon Moment: anyway, they wouldn't stick around for long, would they? Min: entirely possible that when Friday and Mira split up, one of them stays in the Gateverse
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Post by A Moment In Subtext on Apr 6, 2010 16:29:51 GMT -5
Moment: so, the Whoniverse-based verse has. . .er, at least ten crosses Moment: and the far-future verses can't really have in-verse crosses Moment: but the Gateverse makes an excellent base Tate: true Moment: what can I throw into it? Tate: have you checked you list on tv.com Tate: that's the FIRST thing I always check Tate: so. . .in genre you could bring in Eureka Tate: maybe Dollhouse, depending on what it looks like Moment: I was thinking of taking Tessa-san's advice and, once we finish playing catch-up, crossing House in Moment: on the Gateverse base rather that the Whoniverse base Tate: . . .Eureka makes FOUR JACKS Moment: that'll be all sorts of confusion later on Tate: meanwhile, what have you got in terms of plot? Moment: well, the Gateverse as it was SHOULD be to 2010 by now Tate: great Tate: now get your crosses caught up Moment: I could send the NQM to Area 51 Moment: if some people from Eureka were to end up working there Tate: and who do you intend to send? Moment: . . .right Moment: that's a good point Moment: and I can't catch House up until WE catch up with IT Tate: focus on Eureka and the rest of the Gateverse Moment: what does Cassie do for a living? Tate: we last saw her when she was 18/19, remember? Tate: she'll be. . .24 now Tate: make something up Moment: any reason she couldn't be brilliant and go work in Eureka? Tate: none that I can see Tate: course, you have to work out how she gets from there to Sam'n'Janet's Tate: for the Cross-versal Mothers-Daughter Road Trip Moment: that'll be near the end of September, when Eureka "ended", if it's running in real time Moment: but let's assume it is Tate: so, Sam'n'Janet and the NQM arrive on Earth sometime AFTER Atlantis leave for Pegasus Tate: Cassie comes to visit her mum, goes on a date (maybe celebrating her new job?), then they go on the CMDRT Tate: and if they don't get back in time, I mean, "Sorry I'm late for my job, my moms and I got stuck in a set of parallel universes" is actually a valid excuse Moment: . . .so it is Tate: Cassie, upon returning to the Gateverse, goes to work in Eureka Moment: what about Sam'n'Janet? Tate: well, they can't get in TOO much trouble for the CMDRT, can they? Tate: I mean, it's not like they knew that it was the Trinket, not the NQM that did the damage Moment: but probably a slap on the wrist Moment: I've been thinking about the Trinket, actually Tate: not making sense again? Moment: well, I don't think it can close portals once they've been opened Moment: which means that the Looking Glass between the Gateverse and the Whoniverse is permanent Moment: and I don't think they ever ended up in the Caseverse Moment: I'll let the domestics have that one all to themselves Moment: so, why do the CMDRT stay in the Whoniverse for any length of time at all? Tate: because they run into some form of security before they realize what's going on? Moment: but why couldn't they just turn around and go back through the Looking Glass? Moment: especially if Sam'n'Janet did this before with the NQM? Tate: some form of crisis is going on? Tate: or maybe there's a time limit on how often you can go through Tate: like, to avoid genetic damage, you can only go through once every hour Moment: ooh, I like that Moment: so, when they finally get back to the Gateverse, well, Cassie's date is ruined Moment: because they will have stayed for longer than an hour once they were drawn into the most recent crisis Tate: the one Jack is there to deal with? Moment: exactly Moment: but when they get back, Cassie goes to work in Eureka Moment: and Sam and Janet eventually go back to the ship, I guess Tate: did Stark ascend? Moment: . . .YES Tate: will be descend, eventually? Moment: I sure hope so Moment: . . .would Cassie take the new Looking Glass to Eureka with her? Tate: well, one at Area 51 and one in Eureka sounds fair to me Moment: it doesn't sound plausible, what with the SGC, tho Tate: maybe they don't know Tate: if Cassie was given Security Clearance and stuff, she could have the authority to take it herself Tate: especially since it wasn't at the SGC when the portal opened Moment: maybe it becomes Cassie's special project Moment: what about the Trinket? Tate: do they realize that that's what's causing it yet? Moment: they're not THICK Moment: maybe Cassie takes that too Tate: would Sam LET her? Moment: security clearance - Rachel (8:28 PM): I have suggestion for you. Rachel (8:29 PM): The Master meets Jekyll Slashy Subtext (8:29 PM): . . . Rachel (8:29 PM): cross White Collar in Slashy Subtext (8:29 PM): that's terrifying. is that before or after Jackman and Hyde stabilize? Slashy Subtext (8:30 PM): 2. yes. on which base? Rachel (8:30 PM): 2.Uh, Gateverse Rachel (8:30 PM): Oh! Rachel (8:30 PM): Tru Calling in the Buffyverse. Did Tate suggest the Buffyverse yet? Slashy Subtext (8:31 PM): go on Rachel (8:31 PM): And spike and captain spike meet. While Cap'n Spike and Jack are travelling before they run into the family of blood Slashy Subtext (8:32 PM): I can't imagine this going well Rachel (8:32 PM): I can imagine it going *amusing* Slashy Subtext (8:33 PM): okay, so, gotta catch the Buffyverse up to every other timeline Slashy Subtext (8:34 PM): and if you're throwing Tru Calling into that base, gotta catch the up too Slashy Subtext (8:34 PM): so, what years were we left off in? Slashy Subtext (8:35 PM): Tru Calling is 2004 Slashy Subtext (8:35 PM): April Slashy Subtext (8:37 PM): Angel leaves off in May 2004 Slashy Subtext (8:37 PM): so to get from early 2004 to er early 2015 Slashy Subtext (8:39 PM): Jack'n'John are time travellers. They could, I suppose, just end up in the Buffyverse mid 2004 Slashy Subtext (8:39 PM): which just means I have to figure out what happened after NFA, because even if Tru Calling is in the Buffyverse, they can't be in both places at once Rachel (8:40 PM): right Slashy Subtext (8:41 PM): so, any ideas what happened after NFA? Rachel (8:41 PM): Nope. Well. The comics. Slashy Subtext (8:42 PM): not gonna count them Rachel (8:49 PM): I forgot to suggest the SG-1 stuff. Slashy Subtext (8:49 PM): there's SG-1 stuff? Rachel (8:49 PM): Teal'c's little friend, Jonas, and Daniel's assisstant Rachel (8:49 PM): all join SG-1 with Vala and Mitchell Slashy Subtext (8:50 PM): Aly! Aww! *snuggles Aly* I LOVE Aly! Slashy Subtext (8:51 PM): that actually makes a decent team Slashy Subtext (8:52 PM): what's Aly doing, tho? is she military or civilian? Rachel (8:52 PM): Military Slashy Subtext (8:52 PM): got a rank in mind? (I can't remember how old she is) Rachel (8:53 PM): Like, early twenties. Rachel (8:53 PM): She was twelve in season 2 Slashy Subtext (8:53 PM): ah. so, rank? Rachel (8:54 PM): Uh, lieutenant, *maybe*. Probably a sergeant of some sort Slashy Subtext (8:57 PM): when did we see Daniel's assistant? memory is murky Rachel (8:57 PM): Series 4 - Tate: so, Tessa-san and I discussed some other things and I am going to fill you in Tate: just so you know Tate: so, there's an Alternate Yvonne Hartman working at TWP Tate: also, the domestics can get to the Gateverse while they have Susan Tate: Susan and her family are checking up on the life she left behind with Taylor Tate: also, Gray Tate: he escaped the Hub while it was all broken Tate: and ran into Friday, after she left Sinclair, who is calling herself Lorelei. Tate: after she splits with Gray, that's what Sister-of-Mine gets her - Slashy (10:20 PM): so if I put House in the Gateverse base, how do I get any of the OTHER Gateverse-based groups into contact with it? Slashy (10:20 PM): it's not like shows set in Britain, where everything is within a days drive of everything else Slashy (10:20 PM): most things are on opposite shores Rachel T (10:21 PM): House *is* the preeminent diagnostician in the country. Slashy (10:21 PM): yes, and who do you suggest I give a horrible life-threatening disease to? Rachel T (10:22 PM): While the domestics are there, or at some other time? Slashy (10:22 PM): another time Rachel T (10:22 PM): Jack, Daniel, or the baby. Slashy (10:22 PM): the baby? why the baby? Rachel T (10:23 PM): Because. It would freak everybody the fuck out and make it really difficult to figure out what's wrong with it. Slashy (10:23 PM): so this would be. . .prolly BEFORE the baby goes to live with daddy Rachel T (10:24 PM): Maybe the baby has to go to Atlantis because the planet Atlantis is on has a cleaner atmosphere and it needs clean air to survive? Slashy (10:24 PM): or something like that. it's good. Slashy (10:25 PM): would there be any reason in there to give House SGC security clearance? Slashy (10:25 PM): not that I'd TRUST him with it, per se, but. . . Rachel T (10:25 PM): You know that the minute he gets inside, he's gonna try to call Wilson like he did that time he worked for the CIA. Slashy (10:26 PM): I NEED a reason to get him that security clearance Slashy (10:26 PM): because the FUN I could have with it Rachel T (10:26 PM): sick baby can't be moved from the SGC without endangering it. Slashy (10:27 PM): okay Slashy (10:28 PM): so then the baby goes to Atlantis Slashy (10:29 PM): and I have to get the domestic from Atlantis, whenever they get there (sometime AFTER Taylor and Susan leave) back to Earth to meet House and Wilson. Any ideas? Rachel T (10:33 PM): Someone back in the SGC is sick with something alien. The Doctor, being called the Doctor, gets asked in. Rachel T (10:33 PM): House and Wilson are still hanging around, because they're trying to take care of the sick person. Slashy (10:34 PM): they're just hanging around? Rachel T (10:34 PM): They're trying to take care of sick person. Rachel T (10:34 PM): Who I think should be Bill. Slashy (10:35 PM): see, I get House being there for that. Why is Wilson there? Slashy (10:35 PM): why did he get security clearance? Slashy (10:35 PM): also, when? Rachel T (10:35 PM): Because House called him when he was taking care of baby MalDoran/Jackson. Rachel T (10:36 PM): Maybe Wilson isn't there. Or maybe House asked for him because he needed an epiphany. Slashy (10:36 PM): baby needs a name and a gender Rachel T (10:42 PM): Lenna? Slashy (10:42 PM): Lenna's a great name. Slashy (10:42 PM): is it a boy or a girl name? Rachel T (10:42 PM): Girl Slashy (10:44 PM): so, baby gets her last name, but gets raised by daddy? Rachel T (10:45 PM): Yup Slashy (10:46 PM): so, how does the Tardis get back to Earth? because, surely the domestics aren't going to LEAVE it on Atlantis Rachel T (10:47 PM): They take it back to Earth with them? Slashy (10:47 PM): how do they do that? Slashy (10:47 PM): because I don't trust their driving Rachel T (10:47 PM): They aim for the gateroom and end up in one of the guest rooms. Rachel T (10:48 PM): VIP rooms. Slashy (10:48 PM): and who gives them the coordinates? Rachel T (10:48 PM): I don't know.
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Post by Tate Icasa on Apr 10, 2010 2:46:20 GMT -5
Tate: well, I had this idea for the Buffyverse yesterday Tate: because your base is so far only in mid 2004 Tate: well, the 4400 starts in 2004 Tate: so it could feasibly fit into the Buffyverse Moment: when does it run til? Tate: 2007 Tate: but that's okay Tate: because Pete's World is running a couple years ahead of N-Space Tate: so there's no reason to assume that the years would match up perfectly using the NQM Moment: so the NQM opens into a post-4400 Buffyverse Moment: and that NQM goes to Area 51 when Sam's ship gets back to earth Moment: but, what's going on in the post-4400 Buffyverse? Tate: um, gonna have to do the catch-up first Tate: and I guess we could just shift to running the Gateverse up to where the Looking Glass connects to the Sanctuary Moment: still going with the Times Don't Have To Match Up thing Moment: because there's no way the Gateverse is any further than early 2010 Tate: Gateverse timelines aren't my problem, but I think the way you had it set up, Cassie is Eureka by September 2009 at the latest Tate: and you have to carry it from there Tate: with Taylor and Susan on Atlantis Tate: and Mira ending up with SG-1 Tate: how are you planning to get here there, btw? Moment: I think she understands how dangerous the chaos energy thing is Moment: or, maybe, she's just a teensy bit more moral than Friday and Malcolm Tate: you really want to be able to reform her, don't you? Moment: I really do Moment: so, she thinks that Friday and Malcolm (probably Clarence at this juncture) shouldn't be messing around with other peoples lives Moment: it's too dangerous Moment: so she turns against them and ends up in custody, because of course the SGC guys aren't going to automatically buy her change of heart Moment: and Clarence and Friday take off, back to the ship Tate: have you figured out exactly what the three of them were DOING in the Gateverse? Moment: I haven't decided yet Moment: are there any loose ends in the Gateverse they could be messing with? Tate: you should ask Tessa-san, she'd know better than I would Moment: anyway, the inclusion of Mira to SG-1 must be AFTER Lenna is born, but before she's sent to Atlantis Tate: right, during Vala's maternity leave Tate: she stay on after? Moment: for a bit Moment: I don't think they like staying in one place too long Tate: no, they really don't Tate: oh, on the subject of Lenna Tate: could chemical markers from Quetesh have done some sort of genetic damage or something? Moment: y'know what needs to happen? Moment: Rodney needs to meet House Moment: because Rodney calls medicine a "soft science" Moment: and it would be fun Tate: yes, okay, and how do you intend to make this happen? Moment: sometime AFTER the domestics visit Moment: then all I need to do is get Jeannie or Madison sick Moment: it's bad that I want to give one of them cancer now, right? Tate: very bad Moment: anyway, I haven't decided if I'm going to give it to Jeannie or to Madison Tate: I'm not a big fan of either option Tate: why don't we focus on something else? Moment: okay, Healing Hands guy from The 4400 Moment: what would happen if he laid hands on a vampire? Moment: hypothetically, if Healing Hands Guy is alive, and laying hands on a vamp would make them human again. Moment: what if it weren't Angel or Spike, but a vamp without a soul? Tate: then you'd have a soulless human Tate: not that unusual Moment: after the domestics leave Moment: do they go off exploring the rest of the Gateverse or do they head back to the Whoniverse? Tate: I have no idea Tate: but Merlin is in the Buffyverse past Tate: so you have to get one of your travellers back there Moment: Gray and Lorelei? Tate: why would they hop universes? Moment: it's happened by accident quite a few times before Moment: and maybe it shorts out Lorelei's VM Tate: if it shorted out Lorelei's VM, she could still use it to send a signal Moment: who responds? Tate: I'm tempted to say Sinclair/Cyrus/Alexander/Clarence/Nathan/Malcolm Tate: of course, you have to figure out when she and he split and why Moment: maybe she decided it wasn't worth it Moment: after all, it's not HER unrequited love trapped in stasis on the ship Tate: yeah, that makes sense Tate: so Friday and Malcolm go on a mission to. . .somewhere Tate: after which she splits and becomes Lorelei Tate: and meets up with Gray Tate: so why does Malcolm respond? Moment: because he's tragically misunderstood, not an ass? Moment: she ask for his help, he helps her, in return he can collect the chaos energy from whatever plan Gray has been hatching Moment: while Malcolm is collecting chaos energy, Lorelei is bailing Moment: she jumps a few years into the past, changes her name to Jane, and gives her VM to the Family of Blood Tate: she needs decent motivation for that action Moment: I'll figure it out tomorrow - Min: so I was thinking about Gray Min: anyway, I was thinking that when he gets to the present Min: sometime in 2015, which is where we are now Min: considering New Gallifrey Min: do you think Jack might not just find out where the aliens took youngGray and go rescue him, thus erasing properGray from existance Min: with New Time Lords, the Whoniverse would probably compensate for the paradox Tate: the Whoniverse compensates for a lot when Jack is involved Tate: is it bad that I want him to get youngGray, and give him to Alice? Tate: his Alice, not Alice's Alice. Min: that's a little bit adorable Min: Alice would probably be a bit annoyed Min: you know, that Jack was trying to replace her son with his brother Min: but I don't think she'd send him away, certainly not if Jack was the only other parental option Tate: so, let's talk about Gray and Lorelei Tate: you think they're sleeping together? Min: wouldn't put it past them Min: especially not if Lorelei is angry with Jack Min: which she would be if she and Mira split up, but she wasn't over Mira, and she found out that Jack was holding Elle/Ana Tate: why would she know that? Min: maybe she also responded to Elle's SOS Min: but S/C/A/C/N/M got there first Tate: so then she meets up with Gray Tate: and they end up in the Buffyverse how? Min: accident, remember? Tate: yes, but where were they heading? Tate: because just jumping into the future wouldn't cause an accident that big Min: maybe they were heading to the ship Tate: why? Min: because it involves fucking with Jack, and Mira was sort of involved Min: maybe she thinks SCACNM can help Min: or maybe she wants something from the ship Min: anyway, oopsies, we landed in Camelot Min: an adventure in Camelot wouldn't be complete without the Slash Dragon - Min: when Friday splits with SCACNM Min: it should be in the Flyverse Min: and she should take Saffron Tate: this while Talia's crew? Min: probably
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Post by Tate Icasa on Apr 19, 2010 0:57:37 GMT -5
Moment: anyway, I was thinking about Friday/Lorelei/Jane Tate: during the time she's on her own, before she meets Gray, she's calling herself Esmee Tate: Esmee lands in the Flyverse with Talia Tate: Talia has a lower rank than she does, and Amber and Elliott were on leave when the Agency closed and have been out-of-verse since Tate: so she doesn't know the Agency is closed and follows Esmee's orders Tate: Esmee eventually takes up with Saffron and the two of them head back to the Whoniverse, where they run into Gray Tate: they're all together in Merlin, but SCACNM leaves Saffron in Camelot, possibly at the urging of the Slash Dragon Tate: Esmee and Gray help SCACNM with one job before she becomes Lorelei and they split up again - Min: Jack'n'John'n'Elle's Trip to the 51st Century - Motivation: restart Time Agency - Moment: so, I was wondering, where do you think promicin came from? Moment: if Kevin Burkoff only made the shots by taking it out of the 4400, that's a paradox we can't get around Tate: like Mel Tate: except there are no Time Lords in the Buffyverse to compensate Moment: so, some people must have developed it naturally, right? Moment: people who do have abilities, maybe gypsies, etc. you know? Tate: yeah, that makes sense Moment: so, Tru Davies? and her mother? Moment: they can be P+? Tate: yes please Tate: so, why would Tru and Mrs. Davies be P+ but Meredith and Harrison be P-? Moment: maybe they're not Moment: clearly Tru's ability didn't manifest until she was. . .er, mid-twenties? Moment: so maybe Mere has an unremarkable ability, or one that she doesn't recognize as an ability, or maybe the drugs stop her from being able to use it properly Moment: and Harrison just isn't old enough for it to start manifesting Moment: at least, not in 2004 Tate: okay, so. . .what, cocaine stunts promicin transmission? Moment: it's possible Moment: or, again, it's unremarkable, or unnoticed Moment: what does the 4400 timeline look like? Tate: there are some noticable 3 and 6 month gaps Tate: mid-series four is 2008 Tate: so, I was thinking about the NQM, and the Looking Glass, and the CDG Tate: and I was thinking, now that the walls between universes are open, what with New Gallifrey and all Tate: and the right kind of transports can move between them freely Tate: wouldn't permanent portals, I dunno, destabilize the fabric of reality or something? Moment: . . .you're right Moment: forcing 'verses to connect at certain points is probably not good Moment: someone should close those Tate: well, the CDG has to go down eventually Tate: no reason for Donna or Jenny, after they get back from New Gallifrey, to shut it down Tate: those with VMs or Tardises would still be able to go back and forth, so it's not like they'd be CUT OFF or anything Tate: so, how do we shut off the NQM and the Looking Glass? Moment: well, they need to stay open for a little while Moment: I mean, since they both originate from the Gateverse, it's unlikely the Time Lords would do anything about it, right? Tate: now, which one went where again? Moment: the NQM leads to the Buffyverse, and is now located at Area 51 Moment: the Looking Glass leads to the Whoniverse, and is now located in Eureka Tate: so, where/when in the Buffyverse does the NQM lead? Moment: well, I think Jack'n'John end up in the space between NFA and The 4400 pilot Moment: so the NQM opens sometime after The 4400 finale Tate: okay. . .means we prolly have to finish catch-up Tate: but let's work out where the Buffyverse guys are during The 4400 Moment: gotta work from NFA, and uh, remember who's still alive Tate: who was alive when Buffy ended? Tate: er, and didn't they mention where people were a couple times in Angel? Moment: Buffy was in Rome the last time we saw her, dating the Immortal. Well, according to Andrew, who the Wiki says was lying. Moment: Willow and Kennedy are living together in South Africa, as of mid season five Angel Moment: Giles went with Buffy and Andrew to Europe, but he clearly wasn't with them anymore when Angel went to Rome Moment: Oz is alive, somewhere Moment: Riley and his wife Sam are out there somewhere too, not that we care about them all that much Moment: Wesley died in NFA, but standard perpetuity clause means he COULD technically end up like Lilah did Moment: Gunn is dead. Again, SPC possibility. But I'm less inclined, for some reason. Moment: Harmony is out there somewhere. Moment: so is Lorne, but he's supposedly done Moment: Drusilla is out there somewhere Moment: and of course Angel, Spike, and Illyria survived NFA Moment: Faith is alive, so is Gwen, and Nina, and Detective Kate, and Groo Tate: oh, before I forget Tate: Tessa-san and I discussed a Torchwood black ops group Tate: because once they're in the public eye, they won't be completely autonomous anymore, so they'll need one, starting almost immediately after first contact Tate: Johnson, whose first name is Nicole, btw, runs it, with the help of Swanson, Tesla, and later Suzie Moment: . . .yes. Okay. Tate: it needs a name. Tate: Something Programme. Tate: now, Gwen prolly sanctioned this BEFORE she let Sarah Jane out them on AMNN Moment: so Gwen creates the black ops programme, what, a month before first contact? Tate: I haven't figured out exactly how long before, but a month sounds okay Tate: eventually, the Programme is going to have to get it's own HQ, of course Tate: and it's own source of income Moment: because it can't be dependent on Torchwood, yes Moment: eventually. Moment: maybe sometime after the current end of my timeline - Tate: so, how far in the Buffyverse past do you suppose Merlin is? Moment: several millennia, I'm guessing Tate: so, if somewhere in the world there was a female dragon, how many generations of Slash Dragon family? Moment: three? four? Tate: so. . .the dragon in NFA, could maybe be a descendant of the Slash Dragon? Moment: does this mean that it actually HELPS our guys? Tate: and then lives on top of whatever building they then go and work out of Moment: is it a boy or girl dragon? Moment: does it have a name? Tate: um. . .Kcenanire. Tate: you can pick a gender Moment: I hate that job. Tate: so make it whichever there are less of when the battle is over Moment: that means we really have to work out who goes where Tate: we have to do that anyway Moment: okay, so, Wesley already died, Gunn is about to die Moment: SPC means I can bring them both back like Lilah, if I want to Moment: I definately want to bring Wesley back, I'm not so sure about Gunn Tate: well. . .Gunn was never dark like Wesley was Tate: maybe the Senior Powers don't bother with him Moment: technically they do only need one Moment: Wes is still a 'good guy' tho. . .do you suppose they try to tempt him with Lilah? Tate: that makes for creepy, and I loved Lilah, so let's go with yes Moment: what do you suppose a promicin shot would do to a vampire? Moment: I mean, they're already dead, does that mean they'd all get abilities? Moment: or would it just not work? Tate: let's go with the 'it not working' thing Moment: so Wes must be working out of Wolfram & Hart, who ends up at the new Angel Investigations, and where is it? Tate: clearly not back at the hotel Moment: hey, I know it's not for a couple years yet, but once NTAC shuts down all the 4400 Centers, could they move into that abandoned building? Tate: sure Tate: but until then Moment: we'll find an abandoned building somewhere Moment: obviously Spike, Angel, and Illyria make it and ends up there Moment: maybe it's just them and Kcenanire for a while Tate: I want detective Kate Moment: and maybe electricity Gwen Moment: where do you suppose Harmony ended up? Tate: I want to say she works at the LA 4400 Center, until it's closed down Moment: . . .yes Moment: and when it closes down and AI moves in? Tate: she buys the property because she's all rich and stuff, and then AI has to deal with her if they want to work from there Moment: so. . .you think Buffy acquires an ex-4400 Center for the new Slayers? Tate: where? Tate: and how does she afford it? Moment: all the new Slayers and the rest of the gang help out Moment: and, er, where else do we know there was a 4400 Center? Tate: no idea, but knowing Jordan there's prolly one in every major city in America. Tate: I have no idea if there were international Centers Moment: nor do I, which means that while Buffy might have been in Europe, she was probably sending the new Slayers back to America - Tate: you know when NFA took place? Min: if it's in real time, mid-may 2004 Tate: and Tru Calling ended? Min: late April 2004, again, if it's in real time Tate: and The 4400 premere? Min: mid-June if it started in real time Min: hey, if Tru is promicin positive, can electricity Gwen be P+ too? Moment: I don't see why not. Moment: Heather Tobey might even be able to help her so she doesn't need LISA. Min: or Jordan could take her promicin away Tate: if she has it naturally, that'd be the same as being an original recipe 4400 Tate: and we know his ability doesn't work on them Min: so, to get from NFA to the 4400 pilot, to start with Min: so, the dragon. . .Kcenanire, turns out to be an ally and helps them Min: Kcenanire, Angel, Spike, and Illyria make their way to. . .wherever they're now living and working from Min: when do Gwen and Kate join them? Moment: not for a while, I think Moment: and I think Kate should join them at least a month before Gwen does Moment: now, Tru Calling is in. . .New York City? Min: I don't think we were ever told where Tru Calling took place, but if you want it to be New York it can be. Tate: gonna open a 4400 center there? Moment: sure Moment: that can be the one Buffy takes over after closing Moment: so, once the promicin shots hit the street, do you think Davis would take one? Tate: would be survive if he did? Moment: of course Tate: then, yeah Tate: what ability would he get? Moment: I haven't decided yet - Min: now, Jack'n'John need to appear at AI sometime BEFORE the Return. Tate: so, do they arrive before or after Detective Kate? Min: well, there's only a month between NFA and the Return. So I'm thinking probably not. Moment: that makes sense. Moment: so Jack'n'John arrive. . .later May/early June 2004 Moment: and then they leave again before the Return in mid-June Min: then there's the Return Min: I imagine AI has other things to deal with, so it's sort of background stuff until Jordan opens the LA 4400 Center, which is. . .what during the 6-month gap between S1 and S2? Tate: yeah, I think so Tate: so, Detective Kate joins them when? Moment: maybe just after the return? Moment: July makes sense Moment: and then electricity Gwen in September or October? Min: I'll go for September. Because October is when TJ Kim attacks NTAC Tate: and Isa was born in. . .March? Min: so she was about a year old when she and Lily superaged Min: and then another year after that, at least, when Richard de-aged and re-aged her Moment: must be more than Moment: s4 is 2008 Moment: where do we go with Promise City? Tate: what's going to happen to Shawn, Kevin, and the people on his side now that Jordan runs the city? Moment: I don't know, but here's a question Moment: I know vamps who take the shot don't get abilities, but what about P+'s who get turned into vamps? do they lose their abilities? Min: I don't think so. Min: I mean, Dru still has her second sight. Moment: You think Dru's P+? Min: it makes sense Min: if it occurs naturally and people with abilities have it, then why not? Moment: what about Slayers? Tate: they're like Diana, immune to promicin Moment: what about witches? Moment: they're not P+, they can do lots of things Tate: then they're immune Tate: but unless they're tested, they should be able to pass as positives
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Post by A Moment In Subtext on Apr 20, 2010 2:45:39 GMT -5
Tate: anyway, earlier today, while you weren't online, I was looking over the Timeline Moment: what's wrong with it? Tate: nothing's WRONG, per se Tate: Hally and Aleen have NO story before Sarah Jane takes them on AMNN Tate: they're never mentioned, they just pop into existance for First Contract, with no backstory whatsoever Moment: SJA must deal with them during the break in late 2011 Tate: August. Then October, November, December 2011, and January and February 2012 Moment: and first contact is May 2012 Tate: so, where do you wanna put Sarah Jane meeting Hally and Aleen Tate: and then you have to elaborate on their story Tate: tell me about the Imorinites? Moment: they have gills Moment: they have marks on their faces Moment: and a black set of lines on the outside of one wrist Tate: okay, first, where are the gills located? Moment: um. . .on their ankles Tate: and the marks on their faces, are they always green? Moment: like skin colour in humans, there are variations Moment: green, blue, red Tate: Hally and Aleen are green Tate: alright, and the tats on their wrist Tate: significance? Moment: they're like military tats, except obvs not for military Tate: for what then? Moment: maybe the Imorinite version of Torchwood Moment: if IS the Imorinite version of Torchwood, it makes more sense for them to encounter TWG in the gaps Moment: they're exploring the Rift and end up trapped on this side Moment: TWG helps them integrate into human society Tate: and then when they decide to go public, Gwen decides that they're the perfect candidates for First Contact Tate: just one question Tate: if Hally and Aleen are from the Imorinite version of Torchwood. . .why doesn't Gwen hire them? Moment: what if she offers them a job, and they turn her down Moment: wait Moment: maybe she gives them a job, if this is August, say Moment: and then a few months later they decide they want a quieter life and retire Tate: they must be thrilled when Sarah Jane takes them on AMNN Moment: why do you think they drop out of the public eye and take a yacht out to who knows where before they hit Dinotopia?
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Post by A Moment In Subtext on Apr 24, 2010 2:28:56 GMT -5
Tate: during the time the Master is stuck on New Gallifrey Tate: he should marry the Rani Tate: and impregnate her Tate: bear with me through this next bit, because it's not even fanon, I'm making it up as I go along Tate: but what if the looms aren't because it's easier than labour, what if they're because Time Lords have some form of genetic memory? Tate: so imagine what the Master and the Rani's child would be like Moment: this obviously isn't full genetic recall, right? Moment: how long do you suppose the Gallifreyan gestuation period would be? Moment: if Jenny is made up of the Doctor's resequenced genes, shouldn't she have his genetic memory? Tate: 1. obviously not. that would be terrifying Tate: I'm imagining it as a vague have their knowledge but not their experiences thing Tate: 3. since this is completely bull science anyway, let's just say no Moment: okay, so I'm liking this Moment: oh god Moment: when the Doctor finds out. Moment: "You're having a CHILD?" "You have one." "That's different! I had my hand stuck in a machine, you had sex with THE RANI!" Tate: please tell me Gallifreyan Child Services seizes this child Moment: like Romana would let the Rani raise a child Moment: she didn't even trust the Doctor with SUSAN Moment: so, this New Time Tot Moment: does it have a name? Moment: or a gender? Tate: I think it's a girl Tate: what's a proper Time Lady name? Moment: I'll run some names through the Time Lord Name Generator, see if I get anything decent Tate: you remember that idea we all dismissed way back when, about River and Daniel bonding over archaeology? Tate: it is now a possibility Tate: that means River has to be with the domestics when they end up on Atlantis, but you should be able to manage that, right? Moment: I certainly should, especially as that hasn't even been close to timelined yet Moment: what's the last thing the domestics DID? Tate: er. . .*consults timeline* Tate: freed Ee from stasis and stopped SCACNM from using chaos energy to power the Limerick Tate: with River Moment: . . .well then Moment: I guess she goes with them after that Moment: you suppose they, uh, go somewhere before they end up on Atlantis? Tate: like New Gallifrey? Tate: I seem to recall saying that Susan was with them when they went to Atlantis Tate: because they went to check up on the life she left behind there Moment: right, I remember that! Moment: except, is Susan even ON New Gallifrey anymore? Tate: why wouldn't she be? Moment: well, once she has the basics of Tardis flight and Time Lord society down. . . she's related to THE DOCTOR Moment: you really think she'd STAY? Tate: this is a good point Tate: oh! Tate: maybe she goes AWOL, heads back to Atlantis to be with Sheppard Tate: and Romana asks Twelve to go find her, and since River is with him she goes along for the ride Moment: right, okay Moment: and how does Twelve get away with leaving her there? Moment: cos, seriously, he's gonna drag his own granddaughter back to New Gallifrey? Tate: like River would LET him Tate: maybe he gives her a choice Tate: stay and be fobwatched, or return to New Gallifrey Tate: and when she chooses to be fobwatched, he gives the fobwatch to Sheppard for safekeeping Moment: so, when the domestics go to Earth to help House out with Bill Lee. does River go with them, or does she stay and bond with Daniel? Tate: the most persuasive argument is this one, tho, courtesy of Indigo: "This is my wife. And this is my husband. Well, depending on how you look at it." Moment: so she must do her bonding with Daniel some other time? Tate: maybe they hang about for a while Tate: maybe one of the SGA teams finds some ruins that Daniel finds particularly interesting, and River wants to go along Moment: and what are the domestics doing? Tate: you have no idea how tempted I am to say "babysitting" Tate: but no Tate: if I had a timeline for this, I could probably come up with something Moment: I'll get Min on it - Tate: Gallifreyan gestuation would be shorter than human gestuation, right? Logically? Tate: Actually, upon further thought, I think I'm wrong. Rachel: They have more organs to develop. I'd think it'd be longer, personally. Tate: And "more efficient" is not the same as "quicker" when it comes to metabolism. ~duh~ Tate: So...a year? Rachel: Sounds right. - Tate: did you come up with a name for the baby? Moment: I have four different decent Time Lord names. Moment: Vertacktynessirisil Moment: Cheenrudberevkim Moment: Moshdramrenothdret Moment: Queelshraknalnych Tate: . . .Verta, Cheen, Mosh, or Queel. Tate: I'm torn between Verta and Queel. Moment: ask Tessa-san Tate: she says Queel. Moment: Queel it is. Moment: how long do you suppose Gallifreyan Child Services has Queel before I find someone to adopt her? Tate: er, a year? Tate: maybe Tate: who's going to adopt her? Moment: is it wrong to say Donna? Tate: it's cute. . .in a Worlds Weirdest Family way Moment: is it okay if I use Verta as the name of the GCS lady? Tate: absolutely Tate: when does Donna adopt Queel? Moment: well, uh, when is the Rani impregnated? Tate: around the same time Jenny and Donna return to their own timelines, give or take a month Tate: they have their own Tardises? Moment: . . .that could go so poorly Moment: I'm imagining one of them landing their Tardis inside the others. . .at the same time as the other is doing the same thing. Tate: that becomes an eternal cooridor very quickly Tate: imagine trying to get out again Moment: they'd never be able to disconnect their Tardises again Moment: so they went back to their own timelines, and got back with Rose and Handy, but now with the double Tardis Moment: what about Jenny and Donna, what happens to them after this? Tate: nothing Tate: them returning to TWP is the last thing on the Timeline about them Tate: and that's near the end of 2014 Tate: trying to keep everything at least, y'know, close to happening in sync, that means it's probably 2016 by the time Donna adopts Queel Tate: how old is Temyxe at that point? Moment: 9 Moment: good age to get a little sister at Tate: course, you have to get your timeline TO 2016 Tate: so, when does Donna close down the CDG? Moment: er, when she and Jenny return to their own timeline? Tate: why then? Tate: I mean, if she does it then, what reason does she have to go to New Gallifrey? Moment: what do you mean? Tate: if she doesn't realize it's an issue, and since she's 2/3 unobservant Time Lord/Lady that's a possibility, maybe Romana summons her to New Gallifrey and tells her to fix it Tate: and while she's there she meets and adopts little Queel Moment: *slownod* I like it, I like it Moment: did you notice that TLR is playing again tomorrow? Moment: will you watch up and tell me if it'll fit on one of my bases? Tate: okay Tate: and I can already tell you it won't fit on the Buffyverse base Tate: no mention of the 4400 Moment: so it'll probably be Gateverse Tate: so after adopting Queel, Donna brings her back to Pete's World and closes the CDG Tate: you've still got about a year of timelining between where you ARE and there Moment: I know Moment: but for the most part I'm focusing on my other bases right now - Slashy (11:10 PM): while you were on vacation, Tatey-chan, Min, and I did quite a bit of crossoververse work. good luck eventually catching up Rachel T (11:11 PM): Tate and I were postulating that Greer was the other gay person the other day Slashy (11:12 PM): Greer? I'd not thought of that. Slashy (11:12 PM): well, not seriously anyway Rachel T (11:12 PM): It's that damn picture. Rachel T (11:12 PM): The one he had uh, three episodes ago? Rachel T (11:12 PM): And they didn't show us. Slashy (11:13 PM): hmm. it makes sense. Slashy (11:23 PM): can I throw crossoververse ideas at you? (I think Tatey-chan is getting sick of me) Rachel T (11:23 PM): Sure. Rachel T (11:23 PM): I have no idea what's going on, but sure. Slashy (11:24 PM): I'm sort of in the past right now anyway Slashy (11:24 PM): I think the Master might have been drugging Eleven, before Romana joined them Slashy (11:24 PM): is that okay? Rachel T (11:24 PM): With what and why? Slashy (11:26 PM): something to dull his time lordy sense, and because he's the Master? Rachel T (11:26 PM): That works. Where does he get it? Slashy (11:26 PM): he makes it Slashy (11:26 PM): in the Tardis medlab Slashy (11:26 PM): because he's brilliant Rachel T (11:27 PM): And the Doctor doesn't notice? Slashy (11:27 PM): if it works the way I think it does, he wouldn't Slashy (11:28 PM): it's meant to dull his senses so that he won't sense any other Time Lords who happen to exist unless they're within a certain range. which explains why he doesn't notice Romana until she comes and saves his arse in Buckingham Palace Rachel T (11:28 PM): That works out nicely. Rachel T (11:28 PM): Good. Slashy (11:31 PM): *stares at Gateverse and Buffyverse bases* Slashy (11:32 PM): they're disjointed! wah! Slashy (11:32 PM): they're so empty Rachel T (11:32 PM): Well, they're both huge all by themselves. Rachel T (11:33 PM): That counts for something. Slashy (11:33 PM): yeah but. . .in the Whoniverse base I have a. . .semi-coherent continuous story Slashy (11:33 PM): whereas the Gateverse is a series of loosely connected events Slashy (11:34 PM): and the Buffyverse is even less than that Rachel T (11:34 PM): How far past the end have you gotten in the Buffyverse? Slashy (11:41 PM): well, there's this month long gap between NFA and the start of The 4400 we've managed to fill. and then bits of speculation on who goes where during The 4400. Slashy (11:55 PM): I need storylines for every single show on those two bases Slashy (11:55 PM): and I don't HAVE any Slashy (12:32 AM): you never watched The Lost Room did you? Rachel T (12:32 AM): No Slashy (12:36 AM): it fits on my Gateverse base, what with the tear in reality and all Rachel T (12:36 AM): sounds fun Slashy (12:38 AM): I can connect TLR to White Collar (which I put on the Gateverse base and never did anything with), but I still haven't figured out how to connect that lump to the rest of the Gateverse. Slashy (12:39 AM): it's very annoying how disconnected everything is Slashy (12:39 AM): nothing was ever this disconnected on the Whoniverse base Slashy (12:40 AM): granted, everything on the Whoniverse base branched from something else on the Whoniverse base, whereas the Gateverse and Buffyverse have just been given random lumpings of shows Slashy (12:42 AM): okay, so if I come at it like it has to work in a branching way Slashy (12:42 AM): I start with the Gateverse three Slashy (12:43 AM): Universe connects to Tin Man, SG-1 connects to Eureka Slashy (12:44 AM): SG-1 and Atlantis connect to House Slashy (12:52 AM): have I ever mentioned my theory that Keller and Thirteen went to school together? Rachel T (12:52 AM): no, but that's brilliant. Slashy (12:52 AM): thank you Slashy (12:53 AM): oh! okay, the Trinket that Janet gives Sam is one of the Objects from TLR Slashy (12:54 AM): that explains it's ridiculous properties Slashy (12:54 AM): not why Janet has it when she descends, tho Rachel T (12:55 AM): She took it? Slashy (12:55 AM): from a room that technically never existed Slashy (12:56 AM): . . .of course, if the Event was somehow the ascended Ancients fault Slashy (12:56 AM): and Janet took the Trinket in an attempt to tell the SGC about the accidental tear in reality Slashy (12:57 AM): then the Trinket goes to Eureka with Cassie, and whichever groups are searching for the Objects can follow them there Slashy (12:57 AM): now. . .what did the Ancients DO to delete an entire room and it's contents from reality Slashy (12:57 AM): ? Rachel T (12:58 AM): What was the room doing, exactly? Slashy (12:59 AM): the Room wasn't doing anything. nor was the Occupant. one day, it just ceased to exist, and so did the occupants entire life. the world went on as if the motel had only ever had nine rooms. Slashy (1:04 AM): . . .oh god. imagine if Neal got a hold of the Key. . . Rachel T (1:04 AM): if I say "do it", will Tatey-chan yell at me? Slashy (1:05 AM): probably Rachel T (1:05 AM): ...I won't see her for a few days yet. Do it. Slashy (1:05 AM): . . .how would he get it, tho? Slashy (1:06 AM): it was left in the Room, which was open in room 9 of the motel Slashy (1:06 AM): it's out in the middle of nowhere Slashy (1:06 AM): which means I have to get Joe to go back for it Slashy (1:08 AM): now Joe might go back for it when he realizes the Room is open (because he's the new Occupant and can sense the Objects) Slashy (1:08 AM): but he couldn't keep it, for the same reason Slashy (1:09 AM): so he'd give it to someone he trusts. . .not Jennifer because I'm sure he doesn't trust the Legion Slashy (1:09 AM): . . .maybe he gives it to Wally. Slashy (1:10 AM): and Wally might know Mozzy. and lose/give the Key to him Slashy (1:11 AM): and then Mozzy gives it to Neal. Which gets the Key where I want it. Slashy (1:11 AM): not that there's much plot in there, but it's something Rachel T (1:12 AM): Curious: is this going to involve Neal/Peter/El in some way? Slashy (1:12 AM): oh yes Slashy (1:12 AM): . . .geez. if you're not focused when you have the Key, it opens to a random door Slashy (1:12 AM): I'm now imagining it opening inside the SGC Rachel T (1:13 AM): That would be absolutely epic. Mozz needs to be there when that happens. Just so he can freak out. Slashy (1:13 AM): of course Slashy (1:14 AM): so Neal and Mozzy end up inside the SGC. how does this GO? Rachel T (1:14 AM): At what point in White Collar is this taking place, anyway? Slashy (1:25 AM): I was ABOUT to say, it's sometime after that last episode Rachel T (1:25 AM): Kate dead or did she get off the jet? Slashy (1:26 AM): no proof either way. no body. Slashy (1:26 AM): which means I haven't decided yet Slashy (1:28 AM): part of me wants to say she's dead, but Neal thinks she's alive Slashy (1:29 AM): okay, so. . .do we have a date for that last episode of White Collar? Rachel T (1:30 AM): I don't think so. Rachel T (1:30 AM): Did we ever have dates at all in that show? Slashy (1:30 AM): not that I can recall. except that I'm pretty sure it's 2009.. Which is useful. Slashy (1:31 AM): do we assume it was running in real time, then? Rachel T (1:31 AM): Sure. Slashy (1:32 AM): so, if it was in real time that's. . .erm. . . Rachel T (1:32 AM): Believe it ended in March Slashy (1:33 AM): okay, and aside from a couple mentions of '65 years ago', which could be a generalization, I don't recall any dates in TLR Slashy (1:34 AM): so I can skip it's date up to 2009 if I want to, right? Slashy (1:37 AM): so if TLR takes place in May, I could get the key to Neal by July or August Slashy (1:40 AM): the Trinket goes to Eureka in November Slashy (1:41 AM): so Neal and Mozzy end up in the SGC before that? soon after Neal acquires the Key? Slashy (1:42 AM): not much is going on in August, so that's a good time Rachel T (1:43 AM): Nothing is ever going on in August Slashy (1:43 AM): and everything is always going on in July. Slashy (1:45 AM): After the plane goes kablooey, what happens to Neal? Rachel T (1:45 AM): Peter vouches for him and they keep working together? Slashy (1:46 AM): is he still on a tracker? Rachel T (1:46 AM): Mmm. Yes. Slashy (1:46 AM): so when he gets the Key. . .and goes into the Room. . .what happens? Slashy (1:47 AM): would the signal from the tracker vanish, since it's taken out of real time-space? Slashy (1:47 AM): and then reappear wherever he exits the Room? Rachel T (1:47 AM): Yes. Slashy (1:47 AM): so when he and Mozzy end up in the SGC. . . Rachel T (1:48 AM): He randomly appears again in Colorado. Slashy (1:48 AM): and the FBI? Does Peter go to collect him? Slashy (1:48 AM): from the SGC? Rachel T (1:49 AM): Yeah, Peter goes in to collect him. But he doesn't get told about any of the cool stuff. Slashy (1:49 AM): did Neal and Moz see the cool stuff? Rachel T (1:50 AM): Yes. They walked out of one of the doors in the control room or out of the door of the General's office while the gate was active Slashy (1:50 AM): I imagine they were made to sign nondisclosure forms or whatever, yes? Rachel T (1:51 AM): Yes. Slashy (1:51 AM): okay. anyone in particular you think they should meet? Rachel T (1:51 AM): They have to meet Vala. It's essential Slashy (1:52 AM): . . .you have no idea how tempted I am to have her follow them home. Slashy (1:53 AM): also, Neal/Vala. So tempted. So very tempted. Rachel T (1:54 AM): Do it Do it. DO. IT. Slashy (1:55 AM): it must end at some point. to make way for the Neal/Peter/El. Maybe when Vala finds out she's pregnant? Rachel T (1:56 AM): Good idea. Slashy (1:56 AM): that gives them about a month Slashy (1:56 AM): which is enough, because it's very shallow Slashy (1:57 AM): except. . .if I time it like this it looks a bit dodgy. there's no real way for Vala to know that Daniel is the father if she's been sleeping with Neal for a month. Rachel T (1:58 AM): DNA test. Rachel T (1:58 AM): It'd be easy enough to get. Slashy (1:59 AM): I still think it looks a bit dodgy, but I can make it work, sure. Slashy (1:59 AM): okay, so when Vala follows them home. . .what's the rest of SG-1 doing and why does no one call her on it? Rachel T (2:00 AM): She takes leave? Surely she has some coming to her. Slashy (2:00 AM): right okay Slashy (2:00 AM): surely if she follows them, she finds out about the Key and rest of the Objects? Rachel T (2:00 AM): Yes. Slashy (2:01 AM): what do you suppose she does with this knowledge? Rachel T (2:01 AM): I don't know Slashy (2:03 AM): what do you suppose Neal does once he learns some of the history of the Objects? Rachel T (2:04 AM): Does he know if Kate's alive at this point? Slashy (2:05 AM): I have no idea, but he probably shouldn't be allowed to acquire the Quarter. Rachel T (2:06 AM): No. Definitely not. Slashy (2:07 AM): let's assume that he's mostly convinced she's dead. mostly. that work? Rachel T (2:08 AM): works. Slashy (2:10 AM): so. . .you think Neal shares what he knows about the Objects with Peter? Slashy (2:11 AM): Peter could track down Joe. Rachel T (2:11 AM): He could. Slashy (2:12 AM): and Joe is important. He could track down the Objects. Rachel T (2:12 AM): Yes. Slashy (2:12 AM): and I have this theory that they could repair reality by putting every single object back into the Room Slashy (2:17 AM): now, if Peter tracks Joe. And Joe tracks the Trinket to Eureka, where you have lots of high security guys. You think Peter could get a special unit dedicated to tracking the Objects and putting them back? Rachel T (2:20 AM): I bet he could. Slashy (2:28 AM): so, aside from Peter and Neal, who else would be on this Unit? Rachel T (2:28 AM): Mozz would help, but probably not officially. Slashy (2:30 AM): so, would Peter pull people from the FBI? anyone from Eureka? Slashy (2:30 AM): I'll bet Joe joins the Unit. Rachel T (2:30 AM): Probably a couple from Eureka. Maybe his underling whose name I can't remember, possibly Jones as well. Slashy (2:31 AM): uh, Lauren? am I close? *crosses fingers* Rachel T (2:31 AM): Lauren indeed Slashy (2:33 AM): okay, so, this can't be that long after Neal gets the key. a couple months, maybe three? Slashy (2:35 AM): so Neal and Moz at the SGC. Then Neal shares the Key with Peter. And then Vala is involved. Slashy (2:35 AM): so, Neal/Vala is over by the time the Unit is formed, but surely she can't drop out of the world of the Objects completely. Rachel T (2:36 AM): She might be able to help when SG1 doesn't need to go out exploring the galaxy. Slashy (2:36 AM): so she'd be, what, part-time member of the Unit? Rachel T (2:36 AM): Which reminds me that they've been out there a few months without a significant threat. It must be a record. Slashy (2:36 AM): I seriously need a name for this Unit. Slashy (2:37 AM): cos calling it the Unit will get very confusing. Slashy (2:37 AM): as if there aren't enough double names without the ORGANIZATIONS doing it too Slashy (2:44 AM): I'm a little bit tempted to put Jo and Zane on the Unit. Zane. . .has something of a criminal past, if I recall correctly. This is almost worrying. Rachel T (2:45 AM): IT sounds fun. And he'd fit right in. Slashy (2:46 AM): he would. Slashy (2:46 AM): now, I should probably deal with what's going on with Joe and his custody battle. Slashy (2:47 AM): if he and Anna stayed on the run at the end of TLR, instead of returning home and trying to sort out the mess that was their life. . .the Unit could probably sort it for them Slashy (2:48 AM): like, send his wife and everyone a statement saying they'd been put into some sort of witness protection or something. Slashy (2:49 AM): and they're staying there, so ha to wife. works? Rachel T (2:49 AM): yes Slashy (2:50 AM): I think detective Lee Bridgewater (seriously, that's her last name.) should join the Unit too
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